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OfflineHikuli
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question about opium tea
    #4446523 - 07/24/05 01:13 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

I have picked 10 opiumplants (entire plant including the root), I was wondering how I can make a tea out of this.. can I cook up the entire plant. I beilve morphine is produced in the root of this plant and are therefor present in the entire plant (is this correct?) or is the seedpods the only part of the plant worth using? How should I cook this tea to make it most effective and how many plants is just about enough...


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Hikuli]
    #4447110 - 07/24/05 04:54 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

use just the heads, don't boil the water just get it real hot. steep. drink.


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: yesNick]
    #4448033 - 07/24/05 09:08 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

try it this way,
hang entire plant to dry,
dry completely.

grind to dust with coffee grinder, stir into quart of cold water.

let it in fridge overnight.

filter through cloth. squeeze out all liquid.

put fluid in freezer.
then its half frozen, seive ice out and throw ice away.

the remaining half quart is the most opium you could have possibly gotten from the plant.

grapefruit will make it stronger


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4448282 - 07/24/05 10:20 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

Mitchnast, do you know if there is any considerable loss in the process?

For oral use, would the experience from this opium be somehow more desirable than drinking regular poppy tea?


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: esin]
    #4448352 - 07/24/05 10:35 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

opium disolves into cold water just fine,
heat kills off substantial opoid potentiators
also, undesireable plant fats and sugars disolve better at higher temps.
you don't need or want those.
their presence would actually lower the ammount of opium the water could hold. you want that water to be an opium sponge.
water freezes long before opium compounds, so a half-frozen tonic is going to have nearly all of its opium suspended in the unfrozen water.

you can throw the ice away and have a smaller ammount to drink. less water in your stomache also means less pissed away. grapefruit substantially increses the bioavailability of opium.


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4449750 - 07/25/05 10:08 AM (12 years, 26 days ago)

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heat kills off substantial opoid potentiators




I keep hearing about these potentiators present in opium. No one has ever provided any scientific reference when mentioning these. The only relevant study I've found is that noscapine (narcotine) coadministered with hydrocodone alleviated withdrawal symptoms upon administration discontinuation, but did not affect any other paramteres tested.


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: stvip]
    #4449875 - 07/25/05 11:31 AM (12 years, 26 days ago)

hmm, well do what you want.
enjoy your plant fat soup.
i know the cold meathod makes a significanlty better product.
and by significant i mean more than noticeable.


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4449888 - 07/25/05 11:35 AM (12 years, 26 days ago)

About how many plant's to one dose?


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Christoph teh goat luvr]
    #4450017 - 07/25/05 12:21 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

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hmm, well do what you want.
enjoy your plant fat soup.
i know the cold meathod makes a significanlty better product.
and by significant i mean more than noticeable.




Maybe. Haven't tried it yet, but it does seem like a good method to salvage all the forsaken opium from leaves and stems.
However, I still don't see the scientific merit in claiming unknown heat-sensitive potentiators.


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: stvip]
    #4450166 - 07/25/05 01:06 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

im not going to research it for you, im just going from infromation of people who i know to be wise and am taking their word for it. i remember the chemicals names were mentioned, but i forget the names, so i just call them 'the potentiators'

no its not sceintific but opium disolves more than enough into cold water, and the unwanted extras disolve more readilly into hot water. i think it rather scientic to say that raising a concentration of one substance in a soulution will lower the soluability of another in the same solution.


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4450468 - 07/25/05 02:30 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

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im not going to research it for you, im just going from infromation of people who i know to be wise and am taking their word for it. i remember the chemicals names were mentioned, but i forget the names, so i just call them 'the potentiators'




Codeine, narcotine, papaverine and meconate (opium also contains large amounts of thebaine). Codeine is, of course, active, but is present in negligible quantities. The others are often said to potentiate the morphine in opium, but no proof is ever offered. (it may be correct, but I've seen one too many a myth promulgated in these forums and other places to just take it by faith).
Anyhow, my criticism is about that aspect of your post. The "iceolation" method is very intriguing, and sounds plausible (it is rather similar to the cold-water codeine extraction method, but targets the plant's natural "binders"; in fact, codeine pill extraction might benefit from semi-freezing as well). If it proves effective,it could have quite an impact on the way people admire their floral arrangements - traditionally, large quantities of morphine present in stems and leaves were discarded (low as a percentage of biomass, but total amount discarded is high). This may change.


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: stvip]
    #4450495 - 07/25/05 02:40 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

aggreed.
it just seems so much more reasonable than hot water and lemon juice.


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4490859 - 08/03/05 06:48 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

Molly M. at the porg a few years back tested different extraction methods. She is a chemist and had means to measure morphine content. Three methods: hot water alone, hot water and citric acid, and hot water with acid and alcohol. The hot water and citric acid method extracted substantially more M than water alone. The hot water with acid and alcohol extracted the most.


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: bearmtn]
    #4490932 - 08/03/05 07:09 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

the freezing method will also work for getting a smokable product..


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Legoulash]
    #4494011 - 08/04/05 08:34 AM (12 years, 16 days ago)

Mitchnast: thanks for this information. I have done this now and I got good results using your method. :smile: 5 to you

Rah: I would like to know more about making it into a smokable product , anywhere I can read about this (maybe a post have allready been made on the subject) or can you maybe explain briefly how to do this?


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Hikuli]
    #4494535 - 08/04/05 01:01 PM (12 years, 16 days ago)

Do the freezing meathod, then Very slowly evaporate the water from the opium.

fyi, I have never tried this but have read multiple accounts in the past couple days that people did get a smokeable product this way.


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Legoulash]
    #4495888 - 08/04/05 06:06 PM (12 years, 16 days ago)

Yea, the freezing method does indeed get a smokeable product. Its like mitch's tek, but there are a few more steps and it obviously goes into greater detail. I believe I found it somewhere on poppies.org. Let me see if I can't come up with it....


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Re: question about opium tea [Re: Cubieman420]
    #4498792 - 08/05/05 04:56 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

The tek is also on the shroomery: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4016111/page/0/fpart/4/vc/1

It first appeared on clubopium.tk and was written by Ab Strak.
http://adh.2.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=171
The iceolater extract can be cleaned up even more by defatting. One can use solid paraffin for this. And the smaller peptides that are not trapped by the ice can be denatured with ethanol. Just dissolve your extract in ever-clear. The proteins (peptides) fall out, wait, filter or decant the clear liquid of. Discard, or eat, the precipitate. Evaporate the ever-clear and you have the cleanest, smokeable extract op poppy pods possible....


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