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#4444494 - 07/23/05 07:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why do we humans find it so appealing? Why is it that sex is not only enjoyable to do, but also enjoyable to watch? We don't do that with eating, sleeping, or other such basic evolutionary desires. So what's the purpose of watching others fornicate when it does nothing to further our own reproduction?
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we humans need to "get a life", that's all
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Some find it repulsive. Are you looking for someone to answer why you find it appealing? If so, then are in the best position to answer.
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Not all people find watching people fornicate appealing. Be careful not to project your opinion.
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 Re: Pornography [Re: moog]
#4444568 - 07/23/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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A substantial enough number of people do find it appealing to warrant such a question.
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Because arousal begins in our perception, which is then acted upon by our body. If we perceive a naked woman making sexual sounds and pleasuring herself, then it's almost as good as really being near that woman in terms of arousal; afterwards, it's usually not as good since she's not actually there to continue with your other three senses, but c'est la vie.
Sex is not comparable to eating because, while the sight of food may make us hungry (and therefore it is true that if we were a hungry a food commercial wouldn't help) most of the pleasure we derive from food comes from tasting it, from smelling it and feeling satisfied after we eat. We can't get this from the internet, but since arousal is available through methods the internet offers, namely the act of appealing to sight and sound, pornography is widespread.
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It's largely just a cultural question. The answer has no basis in fundamentals of human biology, regardless of what people may claim.
so why do they find it appealing? Because they allow themselves to descend into an illusion and make believe that they are somehow connected.
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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
#4444747 - 07/23/05 09:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Porn = arousal in most males. Arousal = hardening of penis. Hardening of penis = stroking of penis. Stroking of penis = orgasm. Orgasm = pleasure. Not particularly complicated in my mind. People who have had sex view it and remember how pleasurable it was. People who havent watch the people having sex and marvel at how pleasurable they think it must be.
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Re: Pornography [Re: TheCow]
#4444954 - 07/23/05 10:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Porn = arousal in most males
within a context. i seriously doubt it's a 51%+ ratio in all societies.
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Hardening of penis = stroking of penis.
Maybe you need to figure out that logic thing first.. Something has to initiate that desire; you'd be surprised that some people have willpower and ignore their member.
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People who have had sex view it and remember how pleasurable it was. People who havent watch the people having sex and marvel at how pleasurable they think it must be.
Again, the flaw is some people.
Simply put, there is no fundamental and absolute link between porn and enjoying it.
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Re: Pornography [Re: TheCow]
#4444995 - 07/23/05 10:39 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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TheCow said:
People who have had sex view it and remember how pleasurable it was. People who havent watch the people having sex and marvel at how pleasurable they think it must be.
I think this is a very good explanation of what croses my mind when watching porn. There's also a third dimesion IMHO: Remembering how pleasurable it was BUT with the added excitation of thinking how marvel it would be to have THAT girl or to experience that concrete situation. Sort of the two first into one.
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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
#4445022 - 07/23/05 10:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Morrowind said:
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Porn = arousal in most males
within a context. i seriously doubt it's a 51%+ ratio in all societies.
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Hardening of penis = stroking of penis.
Maybe you need to figure out that logic thing first.. Something has to initiate that desire; you'd be surprised that some people have willpower and ignore their member.
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People who have had sex view it and remember how pleasurable it was. People who havent watch the people having sex and marvel at how pleasurable they think it must be.
Again, the flaw is some people.
Simply put, there is no fundamental and absolute link between porn and enjoying it.
I never claimed that all males enjoy it. I claimed most do, and then said that those males get aroused. And then went from there, so I think it makes logical sense. You are arguing about absolutes which sort of puzzles me. It is strange to me to argue semantics in an argument such as this. Clearly porn is a large industry. Clearly there are people who watch it to masturbate to. The original post is asking why porn is as large as it is today. I claimed people enjoy sexual pleasure. But I guess you are right in pointing out the no absoulte fundamental link. Then again there is no fundamental absolute link between anything.
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Re: Pornography [Re: TheCow]
#4445063 - 07/23/05 10:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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the questions were this:
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Why do we humans find it so appealing? Why is it that sex is not only enjoyable to do, but also enjoyable to watch?
what i was saying questions the first question ( and sort of the second )- a culture which promotes it will have more people who find it enjoyable.
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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
#4445067 - 07/23/05 10:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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within a context. i seriously doubt it's a 51%+ ratio in all societies.
Most normal (presumably Western, seeing as the context he's coming from) males who watched hot porn would get an erection.
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Maybe you need to figure out that logic thing first.. Something has to initiate that desire; you'd be surprised that some people have willpower and ignore their member.
If you're watching porn, chances are you're not trying to ignore your member...
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Again, the flaw is some people.
What flaw? And what does the fact that not everyone experiences it the same way have to do with his post? He didn't say everybody, or use it as an absolute, but as a general rule he was speaking of most Western males watching porn. Notice most- there will always be exceptions, but there's no point in arguing them unless he had said everybody.
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Simply put, there is no fundamental and absolute link between porn and enjoying it.
There's no fundamental and absolute link between having sex and enjoying it either. Some people don't like sex and get no pleasure out of it. What does it matter? No one is speaking in absolutes in this thread besides you.
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Re: Pornography [Re: Ravus]
#4445071 - 07/23/05 11:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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well the answer is really fucking simple then: Culture.
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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
#4445111 - 07/23/05 11:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not necessarily. Biology precedes culture, and if you took a "natural" homo sapiens from many thousands of years ago and had him listen to a girl moaning with pleasure and seeing her being fucked on a big screen TV, you don't think he'd become aroused and possibly masturbate? I think it's simple hormones really; the arousal is natural when exposed to the sight and sound of female sexuality for a male, even if it's simply pornography.
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Re: Pornography [Re: Ravus]
#4445129 - 07/23/05 11:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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that's what I'd question.
If you showed it to that kind of man I suspect he'd get freaked out and destroy the TV.
Video technology gives us the leisure of being connected with sex without any personal attachment or involvement whatsoever. Alienation from society and individuality are very modern concepts in practice, and I suspect an ancient "natural" man would be offended by porn.
Man is a social being; this is a tricky subject as it deals with possible interaction with someone who isn't really there.
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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
#4445217 - 07/23/05 11:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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To an extent I think you're right, but not necessarily about the pornography part.
An often overlooked prerequisite to enjoying pornography is that one must adapt to the medium first; the medium is truely the part that would vary from culture to culture the most. What is pornography itself but the sight and sound of natural female pleasure? I believe if the pornography is right, pornography in and of itself will arouse natural man, as it is the perception of sexuality. Yet pornography does not exist in and of itself; it requires a medium, and if we are not comfortable with that medium, such as a computer or a television, then we can't enjoy the pornography.
If you really did try to get a natural man to watch pornography and test if he got aroused, I doubt he'd even sit down on such an alien chair, less likely put headphones on and stare at a TV to the extent that he could ignore the setting and enjoy the pornography. The situation around pornography requires us to be able to relax with our setting and technology fully, which is an act that, for the most part, only people in the technological culture could do.
I don't think natural man would be offended by porn; I think he'd completely ignore it. The situation around the porn would be so alien I can't see someone whose had to live in the wild focusing on it, when for so many years all he'd focused on was his survival and the humans he truely knew around him. For what is porn besides images on a flat screen? Natural man never learned to treat these 2D images as real; they'd just be part of the wall as far as his experiences in nature had shown him.
It's a complex subject that transcends pornography by leaps. We're really asking how much of a link mankind shares here, not just whether most men will be able to get their jollies off to Jenna Jameson.
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Re: Pornography [Re: Ravus]
#4445246 - 07/23/05 11:39 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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We're really asking how much of a link mankind shares here
This is essentially a fundamental and unanswerable question of culture ( a definition of it where many lines are blurred according to observations.. not quite the definition used previously in this thread ).
And while we're on the topic, what about women? From my experience they are less interested in it and do not interpret it quite as sexually as most men do. And yet, many enjoy watching it.
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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
#4445282 - 07/23/05 11:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe you need to figure out that logic thing first.. Something has to initiate that desire; you'd be surprised that some people have willpower and ignore their member.
Do you not scratch itches either, just to prove something about willpower? It seems kind of pointless to completely avoid masturbating, it's fun, and from everything I've read, learning to control your pleasure through masturbation vastly improves your sexual performance.
Again, the flaw is some people.
Flaw? Are you sure you don't have some issues with sex? Does it seem wrong or dirty to you?
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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
#4445292 - 07/23/05 11:55 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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And while we're on the topic, what about women? From my experience they are less interested in it and do not interpret it quite as sexually as most men do. And yet, many enjoy watching it.
Men respond a whole lot more to visual stimulation than women do, even when simply seeing a member of the opposite sex. Women are apparently more likely to respond to the sound of a man's voice, than men do to the sound of a woman's voice.
Check this out, actually, wikipedia has a pretty cool article that talks about both sexes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_attraction
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