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Pornography
    #4444494 - 07/23/05 07:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Why do we humans find it so appealing? Why is it that sex is not only enjoyable to do, but also enjoyable to watch? We don't do that with eating, sleeping, or other such basic evolutionary desires. So what's the purpose of watching others fornicate when it does nothing to further our own reproduction?


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Re: Pornography [Re: Silversoul]
    #4444514 - 07/23/05 07:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

we humans need to "get a life", that's all


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Re: Pornography [Re: Silversoul]
    #4444522 - 07/23/05 07:59 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Some find it repulsive. Are you looking for someone to answer why you find it appealing? If so, then are in the best position to answer.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Silversoul]
    #4444562 - 07/23/05 08:10 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Not all people find watching people fornicate appealing. Be careful not to project your opinion.


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Re: Pornography [Re: moog]
    #4444568 - 07/23/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

A substantial enough number of people do find it appealing to warrant such a question.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Silversoul]
    #4444607 - 07/23/05 08:28 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Because arousal begins in our perception, which is then acted upon by our body. If we perceive a naked woman making sexual sounds and pleasuring herself, then it's almost as good as really being near that woman in terms of arousal; afterwards, it's usually not as good since she's not actually there to continue with your other three senses, but c'est la vie.

Sex is not comparable to eating because, while the sight of food may make us hungry (and therefore it is true that if we were a hungry a food commercial wouldn't help) most of the pleasure we derive from food comes from tasting it, from smelling it and feeling satisfied after we eat. We can't get this from the internet, but since arousal is available through methods the internet offers, namely the act of appealing to sight and sound, pornography is widespread.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Silversoul]
    #4444692 - 07/23/05 08:59 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It's largely just a cultural question. The answer has no basis in fundamentals of human biology, regardless of what people may claim.

so why do they find it appealing? Because they allow themselves to descend into an illusion and make believe that they are somehow connected.


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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
    #4444747 - 07/23/05 09:16 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Porn = arousal in most males. Arousal = hardening of penis. Hardening of penis = stroking of penis. Stroking of penis = orgasm. Orgasm = pleasure. Not particularly complicated in my mind. People who have had sex view it and remember how pleasurable it was. People who havent watch the people having sex and marvel at how pleasurable they think it must be.


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Re: Pornography [Re: TheCow]
    #4444954 - 07/23/05 10:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Porn = arousal in most males




within a context. i seriously doubt it's a 51%+ ratio in all societies.

Quote:

Hardening of penis = stroking of penis.



Maybe you need to figure out that logic thing first.. Something has to initiate that desire; you'd be surprised that some people have willpower and ignore their member.

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People who have had sex view it and remember how pleasurable it was. People who havent watch the people having sex and marvel at how pleasurable they think it must be.



Again, the flaw is some people.


Simply put, there is no fundamental and absolute link between porn and enjoying it.


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Re: Pornography [Re: TheCow]
    #4444995 - 07/23/05 10:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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TheCow said:
People who have had sex view it and remember how pleasurable it was. People who havent watch the people having sex and marvel at how pleasurable they think it must be.




I think this is a very good explanation of what croses my mind when watching porn. There's also a third dimesion IMHO: Remembering how pleasurable it was BUT with the added excitation of thinking how marvel it would be to have THAT girl or to experience that concrete situation. Sort of the two first into one.


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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
    #4445022 - 07/23/05 10:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Morrowind said:
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Porn = arousal in most males




within a context. i seriously doubt it's a 51%+ ratio in all societies.

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Hardening of penis = stroking of penis.



Maybe you need to figure out that logic thing first.. Something has to initiate that desire; you'd be surprised that some people have willpower and ignore their member.

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People who have had sex view it and remember how pleasurable it was. People who havent watch the people having sex and marvel at how pleasurable they think it must be.



Again, the flaw is some people.


Simply put, there is no fundamental and absolute link between porn and enjoying it.



I never claimed that all males enjoy it. I claimed most do, and then said that those males get aroused. And then went from there, so I think it makes logical sense. You are arguing about absolutes which sort of puzzles me. It is strange to me to argue semantics in an argument such as this. Clearly porn is a large industry. Clearly there are people who watch it to masturbate to. The original post is asking why porn is as large as it is today. I claimed people enjoy sexual pleasure. But I guess you are right in pointing out the no absoulte fundamental link. Then again there is no fundamental absolute link between anything.


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Re: Pornography [Re: TheCow]
    #4445063 - 07/23/05 10:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

the questions were this:

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Why do we humans find it so appealing? Why is it that sex is not only enjoyable to do, but also enjoyable to watch?




what i was saying questions the first question ( and sort of the second )- a culture which promotes it will have more people who find it enjoyable.


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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
    #4445067 - 07/23/05 10:59 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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within a context. i seriously doubt it's a 51%+ ratio in all societies.




Most normal (presumably Western, seeing as the context he's coming from) males who watched hot porn would get an erection.

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Maybe you need to figure out that logic thing first.. Something has to initiate that desire; you'd be surprised that some people have willpower and ignore their member.




If you're watching porn, chances are you're not trying to ignore your member...

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Again, the flaw is some people.




What flaw? And what does the fact that not everyone experiences it the same way have to do with his post? He didn't say everybody, or use it as an absolute, but as a general rule he was speaking of most Western males watching porn. Notice most- there will always be exceptions, but there's no point in arguing them unless he had said everybody.

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Simply put, there is no fundamental and absolute link between porn and enjoying it.




There's no fundamental and absolute link between having sex and enjoying it either. Some people don't like sex and get no pleasure out of it. What does it matter? No one is speaking in absolutes in this thread besides you.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Ravus]
    #4445071 - 07/23/05 11:00 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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well the answer is really fucking simple then: Culture.


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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
    #4445111 - 07/23/05 11:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Not necessarily. Biology precedes culture, and if you took a "natural" homo sapiens from many thousands of years ago and had him listen to a girl moaning with pleasure and seeing her being fucked on a big screen TV, you don't think he'd become aroused and possibly masturbate? I think it's simple hormones really; the arousal is natural when exposed to the sight and sound of female sexuality for a male, even if it's simply pornography.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Ravus]
    #4445129 - 07/23/05 11:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

that's what I'd question.
If you showed it to that kind of man I suspect he'd get freaked out and destroy the TV.

Video technology gives us the leisure of being connected with sex without any personal attachment or involvement whatsoever. Alienation from society and individuality are very modern concepts in practice, and I suspect an ancient "natural" man would be offended by porn.

Man is a social being; this is a tricky subject as it deals with possible interaction with someone who isn't really there.


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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
    #4445217 - 07/23/05 11:33 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

To an extent I think you're right, but not necessarily about the pornography part.

An often overlooked prerequisite to enjoying pornography is that one must adapt to the medium first; the medium is truely the part that would vary from culture to culture the most. What is pornography itself but the sight and sound of natural female pleasure? I believe if the pornography is right, pornography in and of itself will arouse natural man, as it is the perception of sexuality. Yet pornography does not exist in and of itself; it requires a medium, and if we are not comfortable with that medium, such as a computer or a television, then we can't enjoy the pornography.

If you really did try to get a natural man to watch pornography and test if he got aroused, I doubt he'd even sit down on such an alien chair, less likely put headphones on and stare at a TV to the extent that he could ignore the setting and enjoy the pornography. The situation around pornography requires us to be able to relax with our setting and technology fully, which is an act that, for the most part, only people in the technological culture could do.

I don't think natural man would be offended by porn; I think he'd completely ignore it. The situation around the porn would be so alien I can't see someone whose had to live in the wild focusing on it, when for so many years all he'd focused on was his survival and the humans he truely knew around him. For what is porn besides images on a flat screen? Natural man never learned to treat these 2D images as real; they'd just be part of the wall as far as his experiences in nature had shown him.

It's a complex subject that transcends pornography by leaps. We're really asking how much of a link mankind shares here, not just whether most men will be able to get their jollies off to Jenna Jameson.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Ravus]
    #4445246 - 07/23/05 11:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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We're really asking how much of a link mankind shares here




This is essentially a fundamental and unanswerable question of culture ( a definition of it where many lines are blurred according to observations.. not quite the definition used previously in this thread ).



And while we're on the topic, what about women? From my experience they are less interested in it and do not interpret it quite as sexually as most men do. And yet, many enjoy watching it.


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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
    #4445282 - 07/23/05 11:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)


Maybe you need to figure out that logic thing first.. Something has to initiate that desire; you'd be surprised that some people have willpower and ignore their member.


Do you not scratch itches either, just to prove something about willpower? It seems kind of pointless to completely avoid masturbating, it's fun, and from everything I've read, learning to control your pleasure through masturbation vastly improves your sexual performance.


Again, the flaw is some people.


Flaw? Are you sure you don't have some issues with sex? Does it seem wrong or dirty to you?


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Re: Pornography [Re: vampirism]
    #4445292 - 07/23/05 11:55 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)


And while we're on the topic, what about women? From my experience they are less interested in it and do not interpret it quite as sexually as most men do. And yet, many enjoy watching it.


Men respond a whole lot more to visual stimulation than women do, even when simply seeing a member of the opposite sex. Women are apparently more likely to respond to the sound of a man's voice, than men do to the sound of a woman's voice.

Check this out, actually, wikipedia has a pretty cool article that talks about both sexes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_attraction


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Re: Pornography [Re: Silversoul]
    #4445335 - 07/24/05 12:17 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I spend zero time looking at pornography, not for moral reasons....but simply because I have a full and balanced life. I don't need to watch people pretend that they have normal lives on TV or computer. I have no time for such drivel. A good movie once a month is it for me as far as fantasy goes...so it had better be more substantial than porn.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4446141 - 07/24/05 07:10 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
I spend zero time looking at pornography, not for moral reasons....but simply because I have a full and balanced life. I don't need to watch people pretend that they have normal lives on TV or computer. I have no time for such drivel. A good movie once a month is it for me as far as fantasy goes...so it had better be more substantial than porn.





good for you, i think it is an addiction like smoking, perhapse it has nothing to do with morality, but it sure is like a dog chasing his tail.


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Re: Pornography [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4446145 - 07/24/05 07:18 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Making love should be done in the dark so that we do not have to view our lover's naughty bits and go to hell.


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Re: Pornography [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4446148 - 07/24/05 07:23 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

My girlfriend and I both watch porn from time to time.  I think because of male nature, most men would love to fuck lots of different women, porn is one way to satisfy that urge not go outside the relationship for sex. Sex and love are not always the same thing and don't have to be. The reason my partner likes porn? Maybe she will respond. :grin:

Porn is a great outlet for those men not currently in a relationship. Most men fantasize while masturbating, how is porn different? You're just playing it in your head instead of priming the pump (so to speak) :grin: with a picture.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Silversoul]
    #4446149 - 07/24/05 07:24 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Those whoe rely strongly on visual stimulation like the pr0n0graph, those who like audible stimulation like phone sex. Its that simple.

If theres sweet candy on the table will you eat it? Resist? Do you even like it? Its all in your physiology and brain programs.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Swami]
    #4446151 - 07/24/05 07:26 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

worst thread ever.
this is the sort of thread someone makes because they are a bisexual wanker and want to get titillated by listening to other internet losers' adventures in wanking.


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Re: Pornography [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4446157 - 07/24/05 07:30 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Oh god, joo make me so horny.

*wank wank wank*

*squirt squirt*


*glob*


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Re: Pornography [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4446162 - 07/24/05 07:31 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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question_for_joo said:
worst thread ever.
this is the sort of thread someone makes because they are a bisexual wanker and want to get titillated by listening to other internet losers' adventures in wanking.




Sounds like a serious aversion to the broad range of sexual experience. Worst reply ever. :mushroom2:


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Re: Pornography [Re: Swami]
    #4446163 - 07/24/05 07:32 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Swami said:
Making love should be done in the dark so that we do not have to view our lover's naughty bits and go to hell.





watching pornography is not making love. There have to be two people for that.

And I assume that you are mocking christianity with this. I don't know for "modern" views of church, but the bible itself says that you should not hold yourself back once you are married, the couple should enjoy each other as much as they want, it's just that you should leave some time for prayer too.
The only thing that bible forbids is sex outside marriage, but once you are in marriage, you are encouraged to lust for your wife/housband as much as you want to.


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Re: Pornography [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4446170 - 07/24/05 07:35 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Paul says " it is better to marry than to burn" . This is not a resounding endorcement to" enjoy" sex in marriage. The bible is very sparce in it's encouragement to enjoy sex.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446171 - 07/24/05 07:38 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

must I go and search for quotes now?
there are a couple of places in the bible where it is clearly said that you should enjoy yourself in marriage as long as you don't neglect other things such as work and prayer.


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Re: Pornography [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4446174 - 07/24/05 07:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, off you go.  :grin:


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Re: Pornography [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4446177 - 07/24/05 07:42 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Why is marriage necessary to enjoy sex? So there is no feeling of guilt or neglect? Are we so insecure we cannot enjoy brief intense moments in casual relationships that we need to tie ourselves down in moral obligation to reach a social standard that is acceptable?

Marriage is interesting. To many it comes natural, but to me, I'm a free spirit - I choose not to marry.


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446186 - 07/24/05 07:47 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

My girlfriend and I both watch porn from time to time.

I was gonna visit you guys, but now that you have made your sickness public knowledge... :puke:

BTW, do you have any "home" movies?


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446194 - 07/24/05 07:52 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Yes, off you go.  :grin:




ok, here is one example:

"Drink waters out of thine own cistern, and running waters out of thine own well...Let thy fountain be blessed and rejoice with the wife of thy youth. Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love"

here is some more:

"Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed"


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Re: Pornography [Re: Swami]
    #4446195 - 07/24/05 07:52 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You mean pubic knowledge, or carnal knowledge, right? :thumbup:

And Swami please do visit we need you. :bondage:


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Re: Pornography [Re: psyka]
    #4446196 - 07/24/05 07:53 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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psyka said:
Why is marriage necessary to enjoy sex? So there is no feeling of guilt or neglect? Are we so insecure we cannot enjoy brief intense moments in casual relationships that we need to tie ourselves down in moral obligation to reach a social standard that is acceptable?

Marriage is interesting. To many it comes natural, but to me, I'm a free spirit - I choose not to marry.




why do you ask me that, it is just the religious way


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Re: Pornography [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4446198 - 07/24/05 07:54 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, yes, and now show me some from the New Testement.


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Re: Pornography [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4446199 - 07/24/05 07:54 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

They were not ashamed because they were not huge blobs like most Americans are today.  :crazy2:


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    #4446200 - 07/24/05 07:55 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Any question I present is usually not directed to only one person (unless I say so :P).

What kind of answer is that anyway? The religious way...what sort of value does that offer?


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Re: Pornography [Re: Swami]
    #4446201 - 07/24/05 07:55 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Hey I am not. I will send a naked headless picture. :ass:


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446202 - 07/24/05 07:55 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, yes, and now show me some from the New Testement.

And then some pertinent quotes from "War and Peace".

Pssst - hey everybody, let's keep him r-e-a-l-l-y busy!


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446203 - 07/24/05 07:56 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, yes, and now show me some from the New Testement.




What difference does it make?


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Re: Pornography [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4446205 - 07/24/05 07:57 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Christians here live out of the New Testement.


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Re: Pornography [Re: psyka]
    #4446206 - 07/24/05 07:58 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Any question I present is usually not directed to only one person (unless I say so :P).

What kind of answer is that anyway? The religious way...what sort of value does that offer?




I'm not responsible for christian teachings, and It is not me who should give you that answer


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446211 - 07/24/05 07:59 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Christians here live out of the New Testement.




and when something is not covered in the new testament, they refer to the old one


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Re: Pornography [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4446213 - 07/24/05 08:03 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

But it was covered in the New. Paul, it seems didn't care for sex. He saw sex as a hinderance to the control that God could exert over the flock. :sheeplove: :grin:


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    #4446217 - 07/24/05 08:04 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Ah, I thought you were implying you were a Christian. By the way, followers of Christ, I dont believe he mentioned very much about marriage or sex, so where did this stuff come from (*cough* Romanized Christians aka Catholicism aka Egyption Paganism.)


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446221 - 07/24/05 08:08 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

well then paul didn't have much brains, did he?

It is only logical that without sex there would be no procreation, and since god himself said to people to multiply, I'm sure he didn't mind them having sex. You can't have children if you don't have sex, you can't have successfull sex if you don't get turned on, there is no ejaculation without lust.

How would god expect people to multiply if they didn't lust for their wives?


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Re: Pornography [Re: psyka]
    #4446226 - 07/24/05 08:13 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Ah, I thought you were implying you were a Christian. By the way, followers of Christ, I dont believe he mentioned very much about marriage or sex, so where did this stuff come from (*cough* Romanized Christians aka Catholicism aka Egyption Paganism.)




No I'm not a christian.
Sex became a christian taboo in middle ages. But that is not covered by actual words of Jesus, or any of the prophets of old testament, nor god himself, nor does it make any sense.
It was probably invented to make those early priests feel superior in their "purity".

I think church is recovering from that. Most priests, at least here, will tell you that sex is a blessing that creates life etc. etc.
Also, they will tell you that cursing like "fuck you" "screw yourself" etc. or words like "dick" etc. are not a sin, but are simply rude by human social standards.

I think that was not the case, even 50 years ago


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Re: Pornography [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4446234 - 07/24/05 08:16 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

my favorite kind of porno movies are Hustler porno movies. in Hustler porno movies they have young looking girls. they are not under 18, because that is against the law. but they look about that age. they have nice slim bodies. they have natural breasts. they film the female women peeing in some of them. not all the girls do that though. only some of them.


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Re: Pornography [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4446244 - 07/24/05 08:20 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Oooooooh, peeing. Now thats erotic, could you recommend me some films?


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Re: Pornography [Re: psyka]
    #4446248 - 07/24/05 08:22 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

it is.


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Re: Pornography [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4446252 - 07/24/05 08:25 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I agree! Now start listing, you divine pervert, you :smile:


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Re: Pornography [Re: psyka]
    #4446316 - 07/24/05 09:28 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I have my pen and paper ready. :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446352 - 07/24/05 09:45 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

how about some films with girls shitting?


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446359 - 07/24/05 09:48 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I have been very pleased with the Barely Legal DVDs so far. Already one of the best lines on the video market, BL has really benefited from the DVD format thanks to incredible technical quality. Cashing in on the young girl themed craze and perfecting the ‘forum' style vignette movie. Everything about this line is good except for something that I'm sure we'll visit a few times later in this review. I am speaking of the inexplicable inclusion of random pissing scenes before and sometimes during the actual sex. I guess they are trying to break stupid urine tricks out of the fetish cage, but so far all they have done is infect and fuck up an otherwise near perfect line.




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Re: Pornography [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4446364 - 07/24/05 09:50 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Ya, Pissing = no turn on over here. :thumbdown: Butt to each his own. :grin:


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446451 - 07/24/05 10:38 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Let's not generalize. I am Christian and I do not "live out of the New Testament." In fact I'm one of the spokepeople for the Hag Hammadi library - all those books and gospels that were excluded from the New Testament - burned even by the early Italian fascists known as the Church Fathers!


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Re: Pornography [Re: Icelander]
    #4446463 - 07/24/05 10:47 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Paul's "thorn in my side" has been suggested by some people to refer to homosexuality, but regardless, Paul was clearly misogynistic. He also was mistaken about the 'end times,' expecting the imminent return of Jesus, the Rapture and all those Apocalyptic prophesies. Marriage and reproduction were not important because the world was about to end so the important thing was to 'get right with GOD.'


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Re: Pornography [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4447392 - 07/24/05 04:19 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Let's not generalize. I am Christian and I do not "live out of the New Testament." In fact I'm one of the spokepeople for the Hag Hammadi library - all those books and gospels that were excluded from the New Testament - burned even by the early Italian fascists known as the Church Fathers!




I like to generalize. :grin: There would have been a time when I would have had much interest in reading those missing books of the bible. But, I have lost interest in the Christian religion and am on to other things. :mushroom2:


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Re: Pornography [Re: Silversoul]
    #4450500 - 07/25/05 12:42 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Why do we humans find it so appealing?  Why is it that sex is not only enjoyable to do, but also enjoyable to watch?  We don't do that with eating, sleeping, or other such basic evolutionary desires.  So what's the purpose of watching others fornicate when it does nothing to further our own reproduction?




Are you serious? 

There is no evolutionary purpose to cooking shows (The Food Network!), gourmet foods, luxurious bedding and ornate bedframes, Cuisinart food processors, and any number of expensive/elaborate/time-consuming add-ons to our basic human needs.

Watching other people have sex is entertaining and exciting...what other purpose does it need to have?  :wink:


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