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Invisiblenewuser1492
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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4438873 - 07/22/05 04:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You are taking what other men have said and created and you are saying that you have claim to it.

Exactly what are you taking from other people? The idea behind natural rights is that everyone is created equal. Because of this no one has any greater right to your body than you do. Since you own your body you are therefore the proper owner of the fruit of its labors.

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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: newuser1492]
    #4438874 - 07/22/05 04:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Then why bother?


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Invisiblenewuser1492
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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4438889 - 07/22/05 04:06 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

With what?

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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: newuser1492]
    #4438905 - 07/22/05 04:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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cb9fl said:
Exactly what are you taking from other people?





You are taking ideas that were created by other men in an unnatural, biased, and imperfect setting. Then you are claiming that they are the absolute truth and basis for human interaction. This reasoning is flawed in my opinion. There is no proof that Man has any claim to these "Rights" or that these constructs are natural or based on things that are natural.

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cb9fl said:
The idea behind natural rights is that everyone is created equal. Because of this no one has any greater right to your body than you do. Since you own your body you are therefore the proper owner of the fruit of its labors.




Just because it sounds good doesn't mean that it has any natural legitimacy.

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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: newuser1492]
    #4438919 - 07/22/05 04:12 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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cb9fl said:
You are taking what other men have said and created and you are saying that you have claim to it.

Exactly what are you taking from other people? The idea behind natural rights is that everyone is created equal. Because of this no one has any greater right to your body than you do. Since you own your body you are therefore the proper owner of the fruit of its labors.




Only in the eyes of the law and only in America are all men created equal (just for now, let's avoid the "create" issue). Not in actual fact. There is quite a range of inequalities.


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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: newuser1492]
    #4438924 - 07/22/05 04:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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cb9fl said:
With what?




That was for RF


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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4438938 - 07/22/05 04:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

Then why bother

That was for RF






Why bother with believing in a Creator you ask? I don't choose to believe in Him. I just do. It is not a choice.

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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4438945 - 07/22/05 04:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I would think that your beliefs are the one thing you can absolutely choose for yourself.


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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4438961 - 07/22/05 04:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I would think that your beliefs are the one thing you can absolutely choose for yourself.




I can't choose this one. No matter what I think or do, I believe and I always will.

Edited by RandalFlagg (07/22/05 04:23 PM)

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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4439015 - 07/22/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I understand. I have a mole just by my eyebrow I call Cindy Crawford and no matter what the docs say I just can't bring myself to get rid of her.


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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4439191 - 07/22/05 05:14 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

This has gotten way off topic. And the whole "natural rights" issue has been covered over and over again in numerous other threads. I ask everyone to please address the topic of the thread from now on. But before I go, a VERY brief comment on this tangent regarding rights...

A man alone on a desert island does indeed have rights -- it's just there are no other men around to violate those rights, so in that narrow sense the fact that he has rights is a non-issue.

Rights are not magic beans handed out by one person to another, rights are as inherent in a man's existence as is his consciousness. The Founding Fathers got it right -- governments are not created to bestow rights to men, they are (properly) created to secure the rights men possess by their metaphysical nature. You as a human have the right to attempt to continue your existence, be it in solitude or in the midst of billions of other humans. No one "owes" you anything except in a negative sense -- they owe you nothing more than their non-interference with the actions you perform in your attempts to sustain your existence (with the reciprocal proviso of course that you do the same).

Back to John Roberts, please.



Phred


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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: Phred]
    #4439802 - 07/22/05 07:57 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

"But before I go....."  The admonishment to get back on topic was certainly well deserved, but you couldn't resist could you :cool:  Just what right does the man alone have?  The right to enough coconuts?  I just can't get behind the idea that there are ethereal rights that exist in virtual-land.  They exist only as an agreement in interpersonal relationships, whether governmental (laws) or societal (mores) or even just between two people.

Now about that nice Roberts fellow, some snarky bitch has decided to critique his family's dress style
http://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/18697/#comments
click on the little orange asterisk to read the column.  I sent you here because you should also see the picture you can click for of her snarkiness herself all dolled up with no place to go (and no date most likely)


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    #4439867 - 07/22/05 08:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Edited by klonokingpin (03/10/06 08:06 PM)

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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: klonokingpin]
    #4439945 - 07/22/05 08:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

What are you doing with that man's picture?


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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: Phred]
    #4440101 - 07/22/05 08:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Phred said:
This has gotten way off topic. And the whole "natural rights" issue has been covered over and over again in numerous other threads. I ask everyone to please address the topic of the thread from now on. But before I go, a VERY brief comment on this tangent regarding rights...





Phred basically said:  This has gone way off topic...but let me get the last word in anyway.  :lol:

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Phred said:
Back to John Roberts, please.





I wonder what John Roberts thinks about natural rights.

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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4440107 - 07/22/05 08:59 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sure he believes rights granted to men can be found listed in the bible.

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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4440423 - 07/22/05 10:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Feel free to bump one of the several dozen previous threads about rights if you don't want to see me get the last word. Or start a new one. I'll participate in it either way.

Back to the topic of Roberts:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4440554/an/0/page/0


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    #4442256 - 07/23/05 10:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Edited by klonokingpin (03/10/06 08:08 PM)

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Re: John Roberts, Bush's Justice nomination [Re: klonokingpin]
    #4442677 - 07/23/05 11:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Who isn't?



Phred


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