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 mikonn
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 Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help.  [Re: flowstone]
#4445088 - 07/23/05 11:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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the photo does not show the blueing that well, and yes the blueing was not extensive, like one would see on a cube. there was a distinct blueing though. Again, I do not believe theses are subbs. I do not believe you would find even this modest blueing on a foe. I do not however know what they are.
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flowstone
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: mikonn]
#4445101 - 07/23/05 11:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The pictures you are posting are inconsistent and you've edited them already. Don't ask for right answers with this kind of information. The stem picture you posted, it looks like the one in the middle is of a different variety than the ones on the outside. Thus the cross strain pictures and confusion. Seriously, I've answered everything you could need to know. Just read it, and toss them if you aren't smart enough to figure it out. Good luck!
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 Ramuh
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: flowstone]
#4445117 - 07/23/05 11:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im decently convinced that these are foes now. Since many of the key ID points for subb / foe distinction arent very clear, I can really only go off the gills, which as I said before do not look like subb gills. Subb gills that I have found are more tightly packed and are darker with lighter white areas on the very edge, creating a cool looking contrast.
Also...just judging by the picture I still disagree that the prints are jet black.
Here is what you SHOULD look for when distiguishing between foes and subbs: Lines at the top of the stem where the gills meet the stem. Darker stems with a slight redness to them maybe. Closer gills with possibly some white edges. Black black black prints. Possible spirals going down the stem.
I mean..I can say all this really, but its still hard to explain well enough without actually finding several of both for yourself and then seeing it in your mind. At first I couldnt distiguish at all, but now out in the field I find myself becoming 95% or so accurate.
Also...generally if they look like this, have that kind of sporeprint, and grow in the lawn if its not a subb, its a foe.
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mikonn
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: flowstone]
#4445174 - 07/23/05 11:24 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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there are absolutely no inconsistencies in the pictures in this post. and im not sure what you are saying buy saying that i have edited them. the pictures of the stems that i posted was a closeup of this picture
posted earlier in the thread.
As you can see. they are from the same type, the two on either side of the stem a im refering too have been broken and do not have bases.
Please do not talk that not being smart enough trash. if you aren't interested anymore please just stop posting.
thank you.
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: Ramuh]
#4445180 - 07/23/05 11:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea I have to aggree with flowstone and say that is not bluing...And everything else he said was right too! haha,
Take care
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Ramuh
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: BetaDelta]
#4445189 - 07/23/05 11:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity, mikonn, what makes you think that these aren't foes? I just ask this since we seem to agree that they arent subbs.
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mikonn
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: Ramuh]
#4445228 - 07/23/05 11:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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prints are black. no brown at all. some specimens exhibited blueing at base of stem, which is not evident in the pictures.
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Ramuh
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: mikonn]
#4445270 - 07/23/05 11:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well...there is only one last thing I can do really to help you see this then. I have overlayed a print that I know to be a subb print onto your picture.
And overlaying a foe print on there makes it look pretty darn similar to your print. Also in PSP, hovering the color thing over your prints showed slightly higher red and green values, if you really want to get that technical.
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mikonn
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: Ramuh]
#4445320 - 07/24/05 12:11 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok. so here is an enlargement of the print in photoshop.
it definately shows a purplish tint, which could place it as Psilocybe as Lysergic_Milkman suggested.
Ramuh, thanks for getting techincal.
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: mikonn]
#4447586 - 07/24/05 05:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here are some new pics of a few that I was able to pic today.
They are very young. you can see that the stems are no more that two inches in length. margin is still upturned and gills are still below the margin.
I'm not sure why so many people seem to believe these are foes. I've seen thousands of pics of foes and have picked thousands and thousands of them, at least, and I have never seen ones that fit these descriptions and pictures. Maybe I'm lost here. Could someone please post a picture they have of a foe that resembles these mushrooms?
It also seems that some people are acting rather agitated even belligerent (including someone giving me a lowish rating) after suggesting that I was perhaps not smart enough to understand what he/she was telling me.
It also seems that I have upset some by dividing my inquiry into 5 seperate threads for organizations sake. I was told that this is a "very bad" idea (from the same "helpful" individual refered to above). I actually seem to remember it being suggested at some point, when someone has a collection, that it would facillate id if they sorted through them seperated them out by distinquishable features and creating seperate posts for each. Why exactly is this so objectionable?
If one of the mods could consult on this it would be greatly appreciated. I really don't mean to be a bother and if this sort of thing is frowned upon I certainly not do it again.
Thanks for those who have been patient with my posts. If I at times seem argumentive,for the most part I do not mean to. I simply am trying to ask questions and learn more, and sometimes this entails pushing a bit.
I am going to continue to update my posts and hope everyone will feel free to contribute anything helpful (and I will also try to help others when it seems that I can be of help)
Thanks again.
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: mikonn]
#4448189 - 07/24/05 07:53 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been considering your point. I see, those do look different in the ways that you describe. Are you using a field guide? I would say the next thing to do is to document every characteristic of those mushrooms. Maybe contact a local mycology group, try to find out more.
I say this, because I'm thinking by the time you cut one in half you may see some obvious differences to the subbs, after that you need a microscope, that will tell for sure.
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mikonn
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: LouiseLouise]
#4448350 - 07/24/05 08:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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LouiseLouise,
thanks for the reply. I'll be continuing to document everything I can. There were some there went today and hopefully they will larger tomorrow. I'll keep posting.
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mikonn
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: mikonn]
#4454964 - 07/26/05 10:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here are some new specimans picked today, including some pretty small and young ones.
here is a close-up of the base of a few of the stems.
the photo does not show it very well, unfortunately, but there is blueing. It seems that these specimens blue only at the very base, and the base seems to break of very easily when picked. Also the base darkens very quickly and the blueing is much harder to see.
here is a photo of the cap in half.
Edited by mikonn (07/26/05 10:58 AM)
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
#4455026 - 07/26/05 10:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Lysergic_Milkman said:
Are you sure your prints are black? those look like more like Psilocybe
What!!!!
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mikonn
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 Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: mikonn]
#4506548 - 08/07/05 09:57 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thought I'd bump this to see if anyone might have any new ideas.
take alook at the other 4 if you are interested.
Thanks alot
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: mikonn]
#4506574 - 08/07/05 10:13 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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From my experience picking foes and subbs I would say they don't even look like subbs at all and do resemble foes with longer than usual stems as far as my experiences, where these picked in taller grasses as opposed to freshly cut lawns?
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mikonn
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Re: Welcome to Virginia! 5th in series of Posts of VA finds Pics. help. [Re: hyphae]
#4506589 - 08/07/05 10:21 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've found them on three or four occasions, when the lawn was pretty over grown and when it had been recently cut. Would you happen to have any pictures of foes that you have picked or that you know of that resemble these, in particular with the margin upturned and gills hanging pronouncedly below at nearly (as far as i've seen) all stages of maturation?
Thanks
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