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OfflineProsgeopax
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Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction?
    #4440300 - 07/22/05 11:47 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Che at the Oscars
by Humberto Fontova
April 2, 2005


Did you catch Carlos Santana's grand entrance at the Oscars?

Well, the famed guitarist couldn't contain himself. He stopped for the photographers, smiled deliriously and swung his jacket open. TA-DA! There it was: Carlos' elegantly embroidered Che Guevara t-shirt. Carlos' face as the flashbulbs popped said it all. "I'm so COOL!" he beamed. "I'm so HIP! I'm so CHEEKY! So SHARP! So TUNED IN!"

Tune in to this, Carlos: in the mid 1960's Fidel and your charming t-shirt icon set up concentration camps in Cuba for, among many others, "anti-social elements" and "delinquents." Besides Bohemian (Haight-Ashbury, Greenwich Village types) and homosexuals, these camps were crammed with "roqueros," who qualified in Che and Fidel's eyes as useless "delinquents."

A "roquero" was a hapless youth who tried to listen to Yankee-Imperialist rock music in Cuba.

Comprende, Carlos? Do you see where I'm going with this, Carlos?

Yes, Mr Santana, here you were grinning widely ? and OH-SO-hiply! ? while proudly displaying the symbol of a regime that: MADE IT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO LISTEN TO CARLOS SANTANA MUSIC! ? You IMBECILE!!

True, you didn't hit it big till Woodstock in 1969, at a time when Che had already received a heavy dose of the very medicine he gallantly dished out to hundreds of bound and gagged men and boys, some as young as fourteen. This means the first inmates of his concentration camps were probably guilty of the heinous crime of listening mainly to the Beatles, Stones, Kinks, etc. But the regime Che helped set up kept up the practice of jailing "roqueros" well past the time when you were hot on the rock charts, Carlos.

Lest we get carried away with merely laughing at your stupidity, I'll pass along the thoughts from Cuban music legend, Paquito D'Rivero. He wrote his recent letter to you in Spanish. "My command of English wouldn't allow me to fully express my indignation" at your cheeky Oscar gig, he explained. Seems that Mr D'Rivera had relatives among those your t-shirt icon jailed, tortured and murdered. In closing, Mr D'Rivera wishes you good luck in your professional endeavors. He says you'll need it, considering that you'll soon be playing a gig in Miami.

A Cuban gentleman named Pierre San Martin was also among those jailed by the gallant Che. A few years ago he recalled the horrors in a El Nuevo Herald article. "32 of us were crammed into a cell" he recalls. "16 of us would stand while the other sixteen tried to sleep on the cold filthy floor. We took shifts that way. Actually, we considered ourselves lucky. After all, we were alive. Dozens were led from the cells to the firing squad daily. The volleys kept us awake. We felt that any one of those minutes would be our last."

"One morning the horrible sound of that rusty steel door swinging open startled us awake and Che's guards shoved a new prisoner into our cell. His face was bruised and smeared with blood. We could only gape. He was a boy, couldn't have been much older than 12, maybe 14.

"What did you do?" We asked horrified. "I tried to defend my papa," gasped the bloodied boy. "I tried to keep these Communist sons of b**tches from murdering him! But they sent him to the firing squad."

Soon Che's goons came back, the rusty steel door opened and they yanked the valiant boy out of the cell. "We all rushed to the cell's window that faced the execution pit, " recalls Mr San Martin. "We simply couldn't believe they'd murder him!"

"Then we spotted him, strutting around the blood-drenched execution yard with his hands on his waist and barking orders ? the gallant Che Guevara." Here Che was finally in his element. In battle he was a sad joke, a bumbler of epic proportions (for details see Fidel; Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant). But up against disarmed and bloodied boys he was a snarling tiger.

"Kneel Down!" Che barked at the boy.

"ASSASSINS!" We screamed for our window. "MURDERERS!! HOW CAN YOU MURDER A LITTLE BOY!"

" I said: KNEEL DOWN!" Che barked again.

The boy stared Che resolutely in the face. "If you're going to kill me," he yelled. "you'll have to do it while I'm standing! MEN die standing!"

" COWARDS! ? MURDERERS!..Sons of B**TCHES!" The men yelled desperately from their cells. "LEAVE HIM ALONE!" HOW CAN...?! "And then we saw Che unholstering his pistol. It didn't seem possible. But Che raised his pistol, put the barrel to the back of the boys neck and blasted. The shot almost decapitated the young boy.

"We erupted. We were enraged, hysterical, banging on the bars. "MURDERERS! ? ASSASSINS!" His murder finished, Che finally looked up at us, pointed his pistol, and BLAM!-BLAM-BLAM! emptied his clip in our direction. Several of us were wounded by his shots."

To a man (and boy) Che's murder victims went down in a blaze of defiance and glory. So let's recall Che's own plea when the wheels of justice finally turned and he was cornered in Bolivia. "Don't Shoot!" he whimpered. "I'm Che! I'm worth more to you alive than dead!"

This swinish and murdering coward, this child-killer, was the toast of the Oscars.


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4440334 - 07/22/05 11:54 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The people who like Che and know about him, like him because he helped 'liberate' Cuba, could have stayed there if he liked and lived lavishly, but chose to continue to fight for what he believed in.

I'm not speaking of the teenagers who wear his shirt because Zach De La Rocha does, of course.


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: bukkake]
    #4440361 - 07/22/05 11:57 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Liberate Cuba? What a joke! Is that what you call it when you toss people from the frying pan into the fire?


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: bukkake]
    #4440368 - 07/22/05 11:58 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You do agree then that George Bush has liberated Iraq, don't you?


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4440387 - 07/23/05 12:01 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

He helped liberate Cuba at the time from Batista. It's most certainly not Guevara's fault that Castro and more importantly the US screwed Cuba.


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4440415 - 07/23/05 12:07 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Liberate Cuba? What a joke! Is that what you call it when you toss people from the frying pan into the fire?



No and absolutely not, I do not support the US invasion of Iraq, as overthrowing Batista is/was not similiar.

Castro is a psychopathic, tortures and murders dissidents, and suppresses free speech. But under Castro, the Cuban people receive free health care and education. Under Batista(*US-supported), Cuba was far, far worse and would be today with US interests dominating that country.


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: bukkake]
    #4440448 - 07/23/05 12:13 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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bukkake said:
Under Batista(*US-supported), Cuba was far, far worse and would be today with US interests dominating that country.



This is an unsupported assertion. Have you ever asked yourself if it's so good why do people risk their lives to leave?


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: cb9fl]
    #4440479 - 07/23/05 12:19 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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cb9fl said:
He helped liberate Cuba at the time from Batista. It's most certainly not Guevara's fault that Castro and more importantly the US screwed Cuba.



In the Cuban Revolution, Che combined the roles Beria played earlier for Stalin and Himmler for Hitler. But he?s a rock star. I?ve asked dozens of his t-shirt wearers, and that?s what they tell me. Others think he was some kind of social worker, a Peace Corps type, at worst, a somewhat misguided idealist. It?s unreal. Of course, in their day, pinks and imbeciles said the same about Stalin and Mao. How can you get mad at people like that? You finally give up. Che?s lessons and history are fascinating and valuable, but only in light of Sigmund Freud or P.T. Barnum. One born every minute, Mr. Barnum? If only you?d lived to see the Che phenomenon. Actually, 10 are born every second.

Here?s a "guerrilla hero" who in real life never fought in a guerrilla war. When he finally brushed up against one, he was routed.

Here?s a cold-blooded murderer who executed thousands without trial, who claimed that judicial evidence was an "unnecessary bourgeois detail," who stressed that "revolutionaries must become cold-killing machines motivated by pure hate," who stayed up till dawn for months at a time signing death warrants for innocent and honorable men, whose office in La Cabana had a window where he could watch the executions ? and today his T-shirts proudly adorn people who oppose capital punishment!

Here?s communist Cuba?s first "Minister of Industries," whose main slogan in 1960 was "Accelerated Industrialization!" Whose dream was converting Cuba (the hemisphere, actually) into a huge state-run bureaucratic-industrial ant farm ? and he?s the poster boy for greens and anarchists who scream and rant against industrialization!

Here?s a plodding paper-pusher, a notorious killjoy, an all-around fuddy-duddy ? "I have no friends and no woman," declared this dolt and sourpuss, "my friends are friends only so long as they think as I do politically." Here?s a humorless teetotaler who imposed a no-booze, no-gambling regime under penalty of his very severe enforcement in towns like Santa Clara which his "column" overran from Batista?s forces ? and you see his T-shirt on MTV?s Spring Break revelers!

Che excelled in one thing: mass murder of defenseless men. He was a Stalinist to the core, a plodding bureaucrat and a calm, cold-blooded ? but again, never in actual battle ? killer. The estimates of those he murdered without trial run from 600 to 2500. And Che often applied the coup de grace with his own pistol.

"Don?t shoot," Che whimpered when the wheels of justice finally turned and they cornered him in Bolivia. "I?m Che! I?m worth more to you alive than dead!" His own victims? bravery was completely lost on Che.


From: The Real Fidel


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4440488 - 07/23/05 12:20 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It's an assumption, but not so far-fetched. Nulgencio Batista could have stayed in power for as long as he pleased and judging by the years he was in office, poverty, human rights abuses, and American corporations ran wild in Cuba.

People leave because they oppose Castro. If I was under the rule of a dictactor and had no logical means of escaping, I would do the same.


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: bukkake]
    #4440574 - 07/23/05 12:36 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It's an assumption based on fantasy.

More from the link that Ancalagon provided...

Woods: I think what surprised me most about your book was your discussion of the social and economic status of Cuba before Castro took power. You are critical of Batista, so you cannot be accused of being an apologist for him ? though I?m sure you have been anyway ? but the statistics you marshal seem rather at odds with what we hear from, say, Ed Asner and Chevy Chase.

Fontova: These stats always blow people away. Prior to Castro, more Americans lived in Cuba than Cubans in the U.S. In the 20th century before Castro, Cuba took in more immigrants (per capita) than any country in the Western hemisphere ? more than the U.S including the Ellis Island years. In 1958 the Cuban embassy in Rome had a backlog of 12,000 applications for immigrant visas from Italians clamoring to immigrate to Cuba. From 1903?1957 Cuba took in over one million Spanish immigrants, and 65,000 from the U.S. Notice: pre-Castro Cuba?s wetbacks came from the first world.

People used to jump on rafts ? primarily from Jamaica and Haiti ? in order to get into Cuba. Now, not only do people risk their lives to flee (2 million as of 1992), but half-starved Haitians a mere 60 miles away turn up their noses at the place.

We always hear and read about those Asian economic "tigers" right? Well, in 1958 Cuba had double Taiwan?s per capita income. Cuba had one much higher than Japan?s too, higher than Austria?s, than Italy?s ? hell, higher than half of Europe?s, not to mention the rest of Latin America. Boy did we ? with a little help from our friends in the U.S. State Dept. and CIA ? screw up!

I refer to Batista?s replacement when I say "screwed up." Batista was ? as I call him in the book ? a political hoodlum. Most middle-class Cubans found him distasteful, but regarding everyday life and commerce, he was an irrelevancy. Indeed Cuba had its two top years economically in 1957?58, when according to the New York Times and pinks in general, not only was Cuba "horribly impoverished," but "wracked by a ferocious civil war"!

Tell it to the immigrants clamoring to get into Cuba and to the tourists, New York Times. Cuba had its top year tourist-wise in 1958. Which is not to say Cuba was the "playground" pinks always claim it was for U.S. tourist debauchery. In fact, in 1957 more Cubans vacationed in the U.S. than Americans in Cuba! Biloxi, Mississippi today has three times as many gambling casinos as all of Cuba in 1958.

Now to poor, and especially, to black Cubans, Batista was a hero and benefactor, because he was black himself and had always been a champion of social legislation. In the 1950s Cuba?s workers were more unionized as a percentage of population than U.S. workers. Cuban labor got a higher percentage of the national GDP than Switzerland?s and France?s at the time. Cuban labor was very powerful and was totally beholden to Batista. Naturally Cuba would have been even wealthier without these impediments to business. I point them out only to show that Batista was no "right-wing lackey of Yankee business interests," as the mythology holds ? speaking of which, in 1958 only 7 per cent of Cuba?s invested capital was American and less than one-third of Cuba?s sugar production was by U.S. companies. Yet pinks tell us United Fruit owned and ran Cuba!

"It?s easier to get rid of a wife than an employee!" was a lament often heard in Havana?s Yacht Club in those years (where Batista ? Cuba?s president! ? was denied entry). That?s why many of Cuba?s plutocrats, Julio Lobo (sugar magnate and Cuba?s richest man) and Jose "Pepin" Bosch (who owned Bacardi), for instance, always loathed Fulgencio Batista (the mulatto cane cutter and grandson of slaves), and funded Castro?s (the lawyer and Spanish millionaire?s lily-white son) Julio 26 Movement out the wazoo. Talk about blowback!

Cubans roared with mirth over the movie Havana, staring Castro fan Robert Redford, and produced by Castro fan Sydney Pollock. Reviewers hailed it as "historically accurate." One scene shows Batista in a meeting with American gangsters. Batista has blonde hair and blue eyes just like Redford?. Hey, he was a Yankee capitalist lackey, right? So he must have looked like a Yankee capitalist.

"Batista was black?!" gasped a badly freaked Pollock at a Hollywood party shortly after the movie came out. He?d run into Andy Garcia who informed him, between guffaws.

In fact, a high proportion of Batista?s army was black and mulatto, especially the officer corps. Castro and Che murdered 600 of them without trial in the first three months of 1959. Even the New York Times admits it. Had these massacres taken place anyplace else, they?d be called lynchings and the United Nations, NAACP, etc., would raise holy hell. Imagine, in any other setting, a lily white regime (like Castro?s) lynching several hundred blacks, dumping them in mass graves, then getting a standing ovation by the Congressional Black Caucus, Jesse Jackson, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel and Hollywood! Tom, compared to what Cuban-Americans see in the news every day, what Alice found on the other side of the looking glass seems perfectly logical.

I love the reaction when I throw this stuff (fully documented in my book) at some pinko professor who learned all about Cuba from the New York Times, Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore, Oliver Stone and from visits to Cuba, which is to say, from Castro?s propaganda ministry. Gotta hand it to him, though. I used to be in Sales and Marketing for Fortune 500 companies. Sure wish I coulda gotten away with snowing as many people as Castro has. Frankly, I?m envious.

Aren?t we always being told about the miracles in health care and education that have taken place under Castro? Any truth to that?

Here we go again! Castro shovels out the BS. Pinks open wide, gulp it down, rub their tummies and ask for seconds. In fact, Cuba?s heath care has worsened relative to the rest of the world since 1958. To wit: Cuba?s infant mortality rate in 1957 was the lowest in Latin America and the 13th lowest in the world. This according to U.N statistics. Cuba ranked ahead of France, Belgium, West Germany, Israel, Japan, Austria, Italy, Spain, and Portugal in this department. Now (and if you believe Castro?s own inflated figures) Cuba is 24th in the world. And this with 60.4 per cent of Cuba?s pregnancies ending in abortion (which skews infant mortality rates downward). In 1957 Cuba had twice as many physicians and teachers in relation to population as the U.S. It ranked first in Latin America in national income invested in education and its literacy rate was 84 per cent. In 1958 Cuba had more female college graduates (to scale) than the U.S.


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4440720 - 07/23/05 01:28 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

UNICEF statistics on Cuba.

I have no idea what that man is jabbering about. The literacy rate in Cuba has risen. The "Basic indicators" on the UNICEF page states the infant mortality rate has lowered from 1960, a few years after Batista's coup. Cuba's literacy rate of 97 compared to most Latin American countries is phenomenal, by the way. And he says nothing about Batista's ties to the mafia and says very little about American fruit companies having a very vested interest in the country before Castro. "Pinko."

And I am in no way defending Castro. He's a lunatic and a murderer.


Edited by bukkake (07/23/05 01:39 AM)


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: bukkake]
    #4440768 - 07/23/05 01:38 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Cuba's literacy rate of 97 ....




According to Castro.

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And I am in no way defending Castro. He's a lunatic and a murderer.




As was Guevara.


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4440820 - 07/23/05 01:49 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Fontova: These stats always blow people away. Prior to Castro, more Americans lived in Cuba than Cubans in the U.S.

That wouldn't be because the mafia were hand in hand with Batista and ran the place as their own private kingdom would it?


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: bukkake]
    #4440822 - 07/23/05 01:51 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

And I am in no way defending Castro. He's a lunatic and a murderer.

But not on the scale of George Bush.


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: IsaacHunt]
    #4440839 - 07/23/05 01:54 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I can agree with that. Castro has never invaded any countries(that I know of) or dropped bombs on people. Something that seems to run in the Bush family.


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4440840 - 07/23/05 01:55 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I actually own and wear a Che Guevara shirt. Why might you ask? The simple fact is that whenever I wear it people compliment me on the shirt. When they do I ask them why. No one ever gives me a good answer and I use the opportunity to discredit Guevara. It is a lot of fun. Ya'll should try it.


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: z@z.com]
    #4440858 - 07/23/05 02:00 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I guess you mean no-one gives a good answer according to you. Have you ever asked them what they were thinking as they walk away from you?


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: IsaacHunt]
    #4440963 - 07/23/05 02:30 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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I guess you mean no-one gives a good answer according to you. Have you ever asked them what they were thinking as they walk away from you?



So are you saying that everyone who has a good answer walks away? I've had like 5 people out of 50 walk away (a very rough estimate). So do all 5 of those people have a good answer? Can you provide one?


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: z@z.com]
    #4441078 - 07/23/05 03:04 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You've supplied one good reason for wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt in your own post:

The simple fact is that whenever I wear it people compliment me on the shirt


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Re: Understanding Che Guevara - What's The Attraction? [Re: IsaacHunt]
    #4441141 - 07/23/05 03:18 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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IsaacHunt said:
You've supplied one good reason for wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt in your own post:

The simple fact is that whenever I wear it people compliment me on the shirt



I know it is mostly a fashion statement, but it is a political shirt. You would think that some poeple would have some answers.


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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