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OfflineSneezingPenis
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Dead doctors dont lie
    #4436862 - 07/22/05 04:25 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

average american lifespan = 77
average lifespan of person with MD= 58


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Re: Dead doctors dont lie [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4437275 - 07/22/05 09:57 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Ouch!  Physician heal thyself. Then I might live longer. :yesnod: :sherlock:


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Re: Dead doctors dont lie [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4437544 - 07/22/05 12:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

that's like psychiatrists having a high suicide rate


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Re: Dead doctors dont lie [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4437633 - 07/22/05 12:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

All the people I've met who were going into that profession were pretty whacky themselves. And actually they were suffering from a psychiatric disorder known as "projection". They didn't realize that they themselves needed the help. :lol:


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Re: Dead doctors dont lie [Re: zorbman]
    #4438638 - 07/22/05 04:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Just throwing a touch more info into the mix.

http://skepdic.com/deaddocs.html
http://www.wallachism.com/doctors.html

Although I wouldn't be surprised if there were a discrepancy. Living a life of constant high stress probably does take a toll.


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Re: Dead doctors dont lie [Re: badchad]
    #4438685 - 07/22/05 05:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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The label on the "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" tape says "Learn why the average life span of an MD is only 58 years." On his tape, Dr. Wallach claims that "the average life span of an American is 75 years, but the average lifespan of an American doctor is only 58 years!" Maybe dead doctors don't lie, but this living one certainly stretches the truth. If he is telling the truth, it is not the whole truth and nothing but the truth. According to Kevin Kenward of the American Medical Association: "Based on over 210,000 records of deceased physicians, our data indicate the average life-span of a physician is 70.8 years." One wonders where Dr. Wallach got his data. The only mention in his tape of data on physician deaths is in his description of a rather gruesome hobby of his: he collects obituaries of local physicians as he takes his mineral show from town to town . He may be somewhat selective as a collector, however.




Hehe, dead doctors may not lie, but living veteranarians certainly seem to.

And badchad makes a good point about stress. It does seem that doctors have a slightly lower lifespan than the average, but stress could certainly be a huge factor.

Also, in my experience, knowledge about what is healthy doesn't necessarily translate to leading a healthy lifestyle. I know a bunch of different people who work in health research in some capacity who smoke cigars, eat large amounts of high fat foods, or drink heavily. It's not uncommon to know whats best for you without actually doing whats best for you.


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Re: Dead doctors dont lie [Re: zorbman]
    #4442301 - 07/23/05 12:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i wonder if a person who feels overwhelmed by their problems finds that dealing with another person's provides a break from their own


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Re: Dead doctors dont lie [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4442351 - 07/23/05 12:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

whatever, if i could steal morphine i would be dead.


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Re: Dead doctors dont lie [Re: Phluck]
    #4444573 - 07/23/05 10:13 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Phluck said:


And badchad makes a good point about stress. It does seem that doctors have a slightly lower lifespan than the average, but stress could certainly be a huge factor.






It certainly is. 16 hour days are not uncommon for an MD, and then there's the inevitable calls at 4AM to deal with as well. Also, being exposed to a variety of illnesses can take it's toll as well......


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