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ALL my LC have failed!!
    #4432964 - 07/21/05 12:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

OK All of my LC have failed And I think it's because of the Karo. I am using RK 96cc water 4cc Karo PC for 45min. @10psi. I think I might go and get some light corn syrup, what do you guys think??


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: thremix]
    #4432978 - 07/21/05 12:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I dont think changing to light corn syrup will solve your problems (did you read the bottle of Karo to read what it is?). How exactly did you fail?


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: thremix]
    #4432990 - 07/21/05 12:58 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

wouldn't it camelize if PCed 45 minutes? roadkill says 20 min at 15 psi.


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: thremix]
    #4433003 - 07/21/05 01:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

for 45min. @10psi.



might be too long.

I only pressure cook for 20 minutes at 15 psi.

Quote:

I think I might go and get some light corn syrup




I use Karo brand...light corn syrup.
with real vanilla


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: Roadkill]
    #4433016 - 07/21/05 01:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

vanilla?


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4433059 - 07/21/05 01:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)



yeah it has real vanilla in it.


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: Roadkill]
    #4433068 - 07/21/05 01:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

and what is the benefit of the vanilla?


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4433090 - 07/21/05 01:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The benefit is not looking for Karo without the vanilla, I havnt seen any yet.

hotnutz also does his LC's using only pure vanilla extract (2 tblspoons to 500ml) so I'm guessing vanilla extract is nutritious.


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4433097 - 07/21/05 01:32 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

scatmanrav said:

The benefit is not looking for Karo without the vanilla, I havnt seen any yet.

hotnutz also does his LC's using only pure vanilla extract (2 tblspoons to 500ml) so I'm guessing vanilla extract is nutritious.




I haven't seen any Karo lately without label saying real vanilla in it either.

and several people are using pure vanilla extract to make LC's now...like you said scat.

so...

it works!~


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: Roadkill]
    #4433106 - 07/21/05 01:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

While we are talking about LC's, how long will a sterile uninoculated LC medium stay good for ?

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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: HippieChick]
    #4433164 - 07/21/05 01:51 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

funny, all i can find is karo regular. No karo light, and no karo with vanilla. All my LC's have seemed to failed as well.


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: HippieChick]
    #4433165 - 07/21/05 01:51 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, PURE vanilla extract is a good food for LC's. If you look at the nutritional data of PURE vanilla extract though, there's like no nutrition at all. LOL! With the exception of Potassium, a key building block for plant life.

HC, if it's been properly sterilized it should last for quite some time. Months or years! If you're not going to use it for a while, cover the lid with foil and pop it in the fridge to keep possible bacterias from breeding.


Edited by hotnutz (07/21/05 01:52 PM)


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4433203 - 07/21/05 02:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I did. I just used one I made 0n 3-15, worked fine. Thats why I was curious.

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Won't some of the sugars still breakdown ? I have a reason for asking this :thumbup:


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4433215 - 07/21/05 02:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

According to Mccormicks website, their PURE vanilla extract ingredients:

VANILLA BEAN EXTRACTIVES IN WATER, ALCOHOL (35%), AND CORN SYRUP.

Beans I'm sure contain some sort of nutrition (maybe not for us, but for mycelium) and theres corn syrup.

Upon further looking I also found this:

Note: To make your own vanilla extract, place 1 whole vanilla bean, cut in half lengthwise, into 3/4 cup (180 ml) of vodka. Cover tightly and let steep for 6 months before using.

1 whole vanilla bean = 2 - 3 teaspoons of vanilla extract


And this:

The FDA requires that pure vanilla extract contain 13.35 ounces of vanilla beans per gallon of liquid and contain 35% alcohol. This is called one-fold vanilla extract and is what you find in stores. Nielsen-Massey Madagascar Bourbon Pure Vanilla Extract is an excellent vanilla that can be found in specialty food stores and by mail order. There are two fold and three fold extracts, called essences, but these are very strong and are mainly used by professionals. Do not add vanilla extract to hot liquids as the alcohol evaporates, along with some of the vanilla flavor.

When buying vanilla extract make sure it is labeled "pure". The imitation vanilla extracts are made with synthetic vanilla (from glycoside found in the sapwood of certain conifers or from coal extracts) and leave a bitter aftertaste. Products labeled Vanilla Flavoring are a combination of pure vanilla extract and imitation vanilla extract.


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


Edited by scatmanrav (07/21/05 02:09 PM)


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: HippieChick]
    #4433239 - 07/21/05 02:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HippieChick said:
I did. I just used one I made 0n 3-15, worked fine. Thats why I was curious.

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Won't some of the sugars still breakdown ? I have a reason for asking this :thumbup:




While its just sitting there? I dont think so...I've used LC mediums after many months...3-6 or something I dunno..they work and still lasted months beyond that with growth in them in the fridge. I guess anyway, I havnt tried any of them to recently.


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Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4433301 - 07/21/05 02:27 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It was a 1/2 pint, one of the first 12 I made. I used way to much Karo. I think like a tablespoon for 6 ounces water. Well, I put 1 CC multispore in each of the 12 to see what would happen. It was a dark yellowish color. I had 12 like this. 6 worked, 6 did nothing. I guess 2 sweet for them to germinate and grow ?

Anyhow, I kept them around just to watch and see what happens. Over the last few months, nothing has grown and the color has lightened a bit.

Well. I have bunches of LC now, gallons actually, and had some left in a syringe the other day. Decided what the heck and shot a CC in two of these jars. 10 days later they are ready to go. Just wondering why they worked now and not 4 months ago ?

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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: HippieChick]
    #4433402 - 07/21/05 02:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Coda I think you know what I'm talking about Lil. 3 so far with nothing!! So I went and I got light Karo I think that MIGHT help I'll try it. So PC for 45min @10psi is to long? How long should it go? I also failed with the microwave, by fail I mean I don't see how Karo is so easy I can't get any thing white!


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: thremix]
    #4433428 - 07/21/05 02:49 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

So how dose one messure 4cc? not by tsp right? I think thats where I went wrong, I put 200cc water to 2 tsp of karo.


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Re: ALL my LC have failed!! [Re: thremix]
    #4433465 - 07/21/05 02:58 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

:rolleyes: You said you were using 4cc of water to 96cc water. How would you measure 4cc...well how do you measure 4cc's of spores?

15-20 minutes is plenty of time to sterilize a liquid medium, any more and you carmilize the sugars.


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24:1 ratio = 2 teaspoons karo added to 1/2 pint of water [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4433477 - 07/21/05 03:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)



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