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OfflineDeviate
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God exists
    #4428007 - 07/20/05 01:35 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

what the mystics call "God" most certainly exists. i've had several experiences proving it to me. now of course you can claim the experience is a delusion or it only exists in your mind or that God is simply a higher part of yourself and you may be right but that doesn't change the fact that it exists, in some form. so "God" is the word that some people use for this thing and its insane to claim that God doesn't exist because many people have experienced that it does in fact exist. and experiencially God is just as real as anything else, more real in my experience actually. so i think a debate about God should focus on what God is and not whether he exists because i don't see how you can answer the latter question before answering the former. i'm not going to say exactly what i think God is because i've made my point but i will throw out this defintion for the sake of example "God is a state of pure awareness".


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Re: God exists [Re: Deviate]
    #4428115 - 07/20/05 01:58 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Pussy. You've reduced the definition of God to be something anyone can prove the existence of. Real men define God as a an old grey-haired whitey living in the clouds.


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Re: God exists [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #4428354 - 07/20/05 02:49 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

So God is an abstration, does not objectively exist, and you've proven this to yourself through your own experience. I think that officially makes my toaster more of an integral aspect of existance than God. :thumbup:

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Re: God exists [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #4428502 - 07/20/05 03:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Mixomatosis said:
Pussy. You've reduced the definition of God to be something anyone can prove the existence of. Real men define God as a an old grey-haired whitey living in the clouds.




perhapse god is material, and does have a beard and hair.
many claim to have seen "human" beings on spaceships. maybe there is a race of humans that created us on their image to be identical.


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: God exists [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #4428536 - 07/20/05 03:27 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Mixomatosis said:
Pussy. You've reduced the definition of God to be something anyone can prove the existence of. Real men define God as a an old grey-haired whitey living in the clouds.




While you may have decided that he is a PUSSY

Let me point out that you are guilty of Mockery and......

the rules of this board :sad:


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Re: God exists [Re: Deviate]
    #4428555 - 07/20/05 03:33 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

and its insane to claim that God doesn't exist

Nothing like trying to overstate your case by a priori insulting anyone with a different view. Of course this merely shows the poster's ignorance of what insanity is.

I have covered this fallacy many times. It is highly popular in political rhetoric: "Any intelligent and patriotic American can easily see that ..."


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Re: God exists [Re: Swami]
    #4428572 - 07/20/05 03:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Thank Goddess for Swami.


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Re: God exists [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4428638 - 07/20/05 03:54 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

thank you for exposing that fallacy swami, as i will now know to avoid it in the future, however it doesn't refute my main argument. you can't claim God doesn't exist without defining God, i am saying that what the mystics define as God does in fact exist and is available to any human being in the form of a state of concioussness. i know this state of conciousness exists because i have directly experienced it, thus we can discuss this state of concioussness and what it might mean but it would irrational to claim it doesn't exist.


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Re: God exists [Re: Deviate]
    #4428719 - 07/20/05 04:16 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Whoa.... here killer

If I was to say God doesn't exist. How would I define God ?

To define something I know nothing of and refuse to believe. At what point do I have the balls to claim I can define something I can not even begine to see, feel or hear ?


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Re: God exists [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4428742 - 07/20/05 04:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
Quote:

Mixomatosis said:
Pussy. You've reduced the definition of God to be something anyone can prove the existence of. Real men define God as a an old grey-haired whitey living in the clouds.




perhapse god is material, and does have a beard and hair.
many claim to have seen "human" beings on spaceships. maybe there is a race of humans that created us on their image to be identical.




theyre called the ANNUNAKI oldwoodspector, you should read "the twelvth planet", i think you would find it quite interesting.


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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government." 
~Thomas Jefferson

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
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Re: God exists [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #4428743 - 07/20/05 04:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

then how can you claim it doesn't exist? based on what?


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Re: God exists [Re: Deviate]
    #4428754 - 07/20/05 04:27 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

you can claim something doesnt exist on lack of evidence deviate.


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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government." 
~Thomas Jefferson

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington


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Re: God exists [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #4428756 - 07/20/05 04:27 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Fucknuckle said:
While you may have decided that he is a PUSSY

Let me point out that you are guilty of Mockery and......

the rules of this board :sad:




Let me point out that you are without a sense of subtle humor, unless, which is a guess based on how you replied. :wink:

That is, I just don't think he was being serious. :grin:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: God exists [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4428764 - 07/20/05 04:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I am with a great band of humor running thru my veins like a wave exploding in the morning sunlight.

No I guess........It appears I missed it


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Re: God exists [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #4428767 - 07/20/05 04:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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leftysurprise said:
Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
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Mixomatosis said:
Pussy. You've reduced the definition of God to be something anyone can prove the existence of. Real men define God as a an old grey-haired whitey living in the clouds.




perhapse god is material, and does have a beard and hair.
many claim to have seen "human" beings on spaceships. maybe there is a race of humans that created us on their image to be identical.




theyre called the ANNUNAKI oldwoodspector, you should read  "the twelvth planet", i think you would find it quite interesting.




yea, that or Elohim. The grey ones must be Lucifer, the bringers of light, those who wish us to be just like them  :wink:


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Re: God exists [Re: Deviate]
    #4428769 - 07/20/05 04:31 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Deviate said:
then how can you claim it doesn't exist? based on what?




I didn't, I thought you did :confused:


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Re: God exists [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #4428772 - 07/20/05 04:32 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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leftysurprise said:
you can claim something doesnt exist on lack of evidence deviate.




does that mean that a blind person should conclude that sky does not exist?


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Re: God exists [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4428779 - 07/20/05 04:35 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"you can claim something doesnt exist on lack of evidence deviate. "

absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. you simply cannot logically conclude that God doesn't exist based on lack of evidence.


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Re: God exists [Re: Deviate]
    #4428787 - 07/20/05 04:38 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Oh I now see your point.

Agreed

Same can be said for radio waves can't it ?

IF you could go back 200 years and try to explain some of our technology. You would be burned at the stake.

The fact you can not see something does not mean it is not there


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Re: God exists [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4428792 - 07/20/05 04:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

true but that blind man has friends that can look right at the sky and tell him that it does in fact exist, and they can accurately describe it to him. proving to him that it does exist.

and i take it you have read the book specter? what do you think of it? and have you read more than just the first installment?


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~Thomas Jefferson

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington


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