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InvisibleMushmanTheManic
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: MJF]
    #4426370 - 07/20/05 12:35 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I read the beginning of it. It was alright... I was bugged by the lack of groundwork his theory of hallucinogen evolution had. (Which is the same theory you have.) But, the whole book wasn't as groundless.
I'm planning on finishing it once I finish some of the other books I'm reading right now.

I suggest reading it if you want to know more about how psilocybin could have influenced human evolution.

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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: spud]
    #4426372 - 07/20/05 12:35 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

His data to back the theory is flimsy at best and deeply flawed at worst.

What did you think of his "theory" in "True Hallucinations" wherein he claimed sound + psilocybin directly affected DNA and was about to create a race of super-humans?

Notice that his brother, a REAL scientist, totally distanced himself from that work.


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Invisiblespud
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #4426396 - 07/20/05 12:39 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a tad bit inebriated to say the least, but bare with me.

I'm not sure if I recall that theory, but it sounds like complete and utter shit.

It reminds me of that Japanese scientist who claimed that music was responsible for creating patterns in frozen water because water was alive. It could also clean dirty class or something.

Funny how these theories, when actuated in experiments, are never in peer reviewed journals.

The Jap guy even claims his was, though he doesn't provide any links to where it is.

I've searched for a long ass time once too.

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InvisibleMushmanTheManic
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #4426411 - 07/20/05 12:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
What did you think of his "theory" in "True Hallicunations" wherein he claimed sound + psilocybin directly affected DNA and was about to create a race of super-humans?




I haven't read True Hallucinations... but damn... that theory is fucking ridiculous. More baseless nonsense.

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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: spud]
    #4426412 - 07/20/05 12:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a tad bit inebriated to say the least...

Nice to know that you are furthering evolution as we write... :lol:


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Invisiblespud
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #4426422 - 07/20/05 12:44 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Transhumanism is the only way to artificially further evolution.  :grin:

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InvisibleMushmanTheManic
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: spud]
    #4426430 - 07/20/05 12:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Transhumanism?
Hell yeah, brotha!
:thumbup:

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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4426453 - 07/20/05 12:50 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Are you talking about banging an alien chick?


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Invisiblespud
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #4426457 - 07/20/05 12:51 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Transhumanism is an emergent philosophy analysing or favouring the use of science and technology, especially neurotechnology, biotechnology, and nanotechnology, to overcome human limitations and improve the human condition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

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InvisibleMushmanTheManic
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #4426464 - 07/20/05 12:53 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Are you talking about banging an alien chick?




No. But thats not a bad idea.

http://www.extropy.org

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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: spud]
    #4426480 - 07/20/05 12:55 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

What is the goal of evolution? Why evolve? Just to survive better? Transhumanism sounds good...but I think we need some kind of social evolution as well.

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Invisiblespud
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: MJF]
    #4426484 - 07/20/05 12:57 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I just want my hydraulic penis.


...

that doubles as a mp3 player.

iProd ?

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InvisibleMushmanTheManic
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: MJF]
    #4426499 - 07/20/05 01:01 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

MJF said:
Why evolve? Just to survive better?




Sure. Survive better. Live longer and happier. Increased intellegence. Prevent/cure diseases. etc

"Specifically, transhumanism seeks to apply reason, science and technology for the purposes of reducing poverty, disease, disability, malnutrition and oppressive governments around the globe. Many transhumanists actively assess the potential for future technologies and innovative social systems to improve quality of all life, while seeking to make the material reality of the human condition fulfill the promise of legal and political equality by eliminating congenital mental and physical barriers."

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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4426556 - 07/20/05 01:14 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

what does the majority of the scientific community think about psychedelics....for practical purposes other than recreational?

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InvisibleMushmanTheManic
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: MJF]
    #4426599 - 07/20/05 01:23 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Which part of tha scientific community?

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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #4427247 - 07/20/05 06:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

How many here have gone hunting whilst tripping? Show of hands please!
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I have! :grin: and so has Hue I believe. :grin: :thumbup: :thumbup:

It's quite a TRIP :wink:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: Icelander]
    #4427324 - 07/20/05 07:53 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You shot a bunny?  :frown:


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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: MJF]
    #4427374 - 07/20/05 08:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

MJF said:
A few months ago I started having these vague intuitive thoughts that hallucinogens have actually played a major role in the evoltuion of human beings. Could hallucinogens played a role in evolving us from apes into humans, actually changing our conciousness and improving our language capabilities? I've recently discovered that this is a theory held by some scientists. Does anyone know more about this? Or what do you think about this idea? :mushroom2:




""from apes into humans""

lol, why are apes still here, and not evolved in to us then?
You water-apes! :P h?h?

anyways..

feed an ape, hallucinogens, and repeate! maybe you will get an answer?

:smile:


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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #4427379 - 07/20/05 08:27 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Ruffled Grouse to be exact.  :shocked:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Hallucinogens and Human Evolution [Re: Icelander]
    #4427998 - 07/20/05 11:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

swami has taken over my job of repeating the definition of evolution.

replace the arcane word evolution with the generic term history, and there are certain blips that do seem affected by hallucinogens, and a temporarily more mad (transcendent) populous.

hard to measure as we are more mad now than ever.


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