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Noam Chomsky
    #4425144 - 07/19/05 09:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

What political book is a good place to start?

Preferably U.S. foreign policy or terrorism.

I was overwhelmed by the amount of books he has on the subject matter, so I was just wondering which you may recommend, and why.

So suggest away.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: spud]
    #4425198 - 07/19/05 09:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: spud]
    #4425370 - 07/19/05 10:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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spud said:
What political book is a good place to start?





"I'm an extreme Leftist that is full of shit" - by Noam Chomsky

It should be in your local library.

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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4425576 - 07/19/05 11:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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spud said:
What political book is a good place to start?





"I'm an extreme Leftist that is full of shit" - by Noam Chomsky

It should be in your local library.

:lol:




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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: spud]
    #4425840 - 07/20/05 12:14 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

that guy is a total douche. dont read his filth.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4426022 - 07/20/05 01:02 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

how can you make an opinion on his work without reading it?


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: vampirism]
    #4426094 - 07/20/05 01:17 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/

That's a book of his up there, online. Mostly about the CIA's reign of terror in Central America in the 80s under Reagan.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: vampirism]
    #4426108 - 07/20/05 01:19 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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how can you make an opinion on his work without reading it?



I've read Chomsky. It is complete shit. He knows how to write and how to influence people and that is all.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: vampirism]
    #4426306 - 07/20/05 02:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

how do you know if i have or havent read it?


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: spud]
    #4426336 - 07/20/05 02:23 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Chomsky's influence in the field of theoretical linguistics and psychology is impressive to say the least.

I figured his political contributions would be somehow similar in greatness.

Perhaps I was wrong?


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: spud]
    #4426382 - 07/20/05 02:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Chomsky is obviously a very divisive figure. I personally think that whether or not you agree with his views, they provide an interesting and unique perspective, even if they do reek of excessive America-bashing.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: Silversoul]
    #4426680 - 07/20/05 03:48 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Chomsky is obviously a very divisive figure.  I personally think that whether or not you agree with his views, they provide an interesting and unique perspective, even if they do reek of excessive America-bashing.




for shizzzle my nizzle...he's is the perfect foil to all the retards on the "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" side of the aisle. because we all know the US has never been involved in horrible atrocities via the CIA :rolleyes:


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4426898 - 07/20/05 04:56 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

America, fuck yeah.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4427179 - 07/20/05 07:45 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I bet you've never even read the dust cover of one of his books let alone the actual content. Its this sort of predictable reactionary crap that has made this place a complete fucking drag.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: Silversoul]
    #4427201 - 07/20/05 08:03 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Chomsky was once asked why he bashes on america instead of the USSR (this was during the cold war) - his response (paraphrased cause i'm too lazy to find the actual quote) was, "if i lived in the USSR i would spend my time finding the faults of my own government, however i live in the USA and so will spend my time thusly."

there are many points where people can criticize Chomsky (there was a thread here maybe 6 months ago where me and somebody had a long debate about these points, feel free to search it!), but to say he doesn't have something to say, that he is isn't a very intelligent and extremely well researched writer is complete bullshit.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: Krishna]
    #4427240 - 07/20/05 08:42 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I let a hardcore Republican I know borrow Hegemony or Survival and the result was hilarious. She refused to read more than 50 pages. She actually said she so completely despised the idea of someone pointing out America's faults (hating America in her words I believe) she couldn't read the rest. Instead of reading it and trying to point out any historical or logical faults she simply ignored the message. I think her actions pretty much sum up most of the US.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4427319 - 07/20/05 09:50 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

it's irrelevant, because you're telling him not to read it.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4427344 - 07/20/05 10:12 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
Chomsky is obviously a very divisive figure.  I personally think that whether or not you agree with his views, they provide an interesting and unique perspective, even if they do reek of excessive America-bashing.




for shizzzle my nizzle...he's is the perfect foil to all the retards on the "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" side of the aisle. because we all know the US has never been involved in horrible atrocities via the CIA :rolleyes:




I'm pretty liberal, but Chomsky guy just drives me nuts. I actually have one of his books from when I was a die-hard "Bush Knew" lefty. Luckily, I've become more reasonable since then.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: Redstorm]
    #4427412 - 07/20/05 10:44 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I've never read much of his stuff other than essays and part of a friend's book on 9/11. I hear Manufacturing Consent is good.

From what I've seen from him, he really isn't all that extreme. While his positions mirror those of more extreme leftists, his arguments are sound and well researched. I've yet to see a reasonable contradiction to his stuff and this thread is no different.

Nobody here who opposes him has stated a single thing he's gotten wrong, or something unreasonable he's said. It seems they're content to dismiss him completely because of his political orientation.


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Re: Noam Chomsky [Re: Phluck]
    #4427520 - 07/20/05 11:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Phluck said:
I've never read much of his stuff other than essays and part of a friend's book on 9/11. I hear Manufacturing Consent is good.

From what I've seen from him, he really isn't all that extreme. While his positions mirror those of more extreme leftists, his arguments are sound and well researched. I've yet to see a reasonable contradiction to his stuff and this thread is no different.

Nobody here who opposes him has stated a single thing he's gotten wrong, or something unreasonable he's said. It seems they're content to dismiss him completely because of his political orientation.




if chomsky is anything, well-researched and sound would be it! certainly he is idealogically 'extreme', but not without just cause, in my opinion. as to what people have against him, look for this old thread discussing it (must be from december 04 or so) - the biggest complaint was that he was anti-semetic (which i, in my opinion, debunked quite thoroughly)


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