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Offlinecb9fl
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Saving lives or creating terrorists?
    #4423798 - 07/19/05 03:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3269420

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Studies: Most foreign fighters didn't wage terror before Iraq war
Boston Globe

WASHINGTON - New investigations by the Saudi Arabian government and an Israeli think tank ? both of which painstakingly analyzed the backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United States ? have found that the vast majority of them are not former terrorists and became radicalized by the war.

The studies cast serious doubt on President Bush's claim that those responsible for some of the worst violence are terrorists who seized on the opportunity to make Iraq the "central front" in a battle against the United States.

"The terrorists know that the outcome in Iraq will leave them emboldened or defeated," Bush said in a nationally televised address last month. "So they are waging a campaign of murder and destruction."

However, interrogations of nearly 300 Saudis captured trying to sneak into Iraq and case studies of more than three dozen others who blew themselves up in suicide attacks show that most were heeding calls to drive infidels out of Arab land, according to a study by Saudi investigator Nawaf Obaid.

An analysis of 154 foreign fighters compiled by a leading terrorism researcher found that despite the presence of some senior al-Qaida operatives, "the vast majority of non-Iraqi Arabs killed in Iraq have never taken part in any terrorist activity prior to their arrival in Iraq."

The Israel study says: "Only a few were involved in past Islamic insurgencies in Afghanistan, Bosnia, or Chechnya."




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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: cb9fl]
    #4424143 - 07/19/05 05:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

big surprise there.


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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: kake]
    #4424190 - 07/19/05 05:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Most foreign fighters are suicide bombers. They don't have a very long shelf life


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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4424208 - 07/19/05 05:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Most foreign fighters are suicide bombers.



Source?


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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4424218 - 07/19/05 05:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I believe he pulled that out of his ass.


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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4424219 - 07/19/05 05:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I thought I smelled something.


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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4424230 - 07/19/05 05:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Most of the ones that become famous maybe, but how often are there suicide bombings? It may seem too often to you, but in reference to the actual number of people fighting the U.S., 2 or 3 people blowing themselves up a week isn't a huge portion of the fighters, foreign or otherwise.

We can't label them all under "terrorists" either, for that's only simplifying the issue too much. Many of them are completely different groups or individuals with different intentions; some are Iraqis who want the Americans out of their country, others are radical terrorists who want to start a civil war in Iraq and thereby show the failure of America. Some want the prosperity of Iraq but without American help, others want to make Iraq a massive failure to show the U.S. as a massive failure.

The stupid bullshit America has gotten itself into. :shake: What do we expect to get out of this sacrifice we have made? Not enough to make it worth it in my opinion.


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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: Ravus]
    #4426154 - 07/20/05 01:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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The stupid bullshit America has gotten itself into. What do we expect to get out of this sacrifice we have made? Not enough to make it worth it in my opinion.



Its worth it to Haliburton.


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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4427846 - 07/20/05 01:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Paradigm said:
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zappaisgod said:
Most foreign fighters are suicide bombers.



Source?




That was a boo boo. Most suicide bombers are foreign fighters was the point. If you want a source for that

http://discardedlies.com/entries/2005/03/reuven_paz_affirms_stephen_schwartz_saud_delenda_est.php


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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: cb9fl]
    #4428920 - 07/20/05 05:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

your forgetting that the iraq war has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism...haliburton doesnt give a damn how many terrorists are added or removed because of the war..as long as they rake in the dough...


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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4428953 - 07/20/05 05:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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You're forgetting that the Iraq war has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. periods deleted Haliburton doesn't give a damn how many terrorists are added or removed because of the war. period deleted As long as they rake in the dough. periods deleted




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Re: Saving lives or creating terrorists? [Re: cb9fl]
    #4430773 - 07/21/05 12:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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cb9fl said:
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You're forgetting that the Iraq war has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. periods deleted Haliburton doesn't give a damn how many terrorists are added or removed because of the war. period deleted As long as they rake in the dough. periods deleted








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