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a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures)
    #4422565 - 07/19/05 10:00 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

ok, this might get a bit long, so i'll start with a short version:

apparently B+ is a woodlover, it eats up the woodchips and fruits like anything. i never knew this, maby this is common knowledge to everyone else. but i sure as hell didn't know.


long version (pictures will be forthcoming, i lent my digicam to a friend and had to take the pictures with my cellphone, and now i cant transfer them):

ok, i was doing a small experiment with growing shiitake. at least i thought i was growing shiitake. starting from a store bought sample to agar, from the agar to LC, LC to grain, and finally to sterilized birch shavings mixed with ~10% hay (for texture). and everything was going dandy.

originally i had wanted to build a really nice fruiting chamber. but in the end, i couldn't get hold of any reasonable humidifier, and had to resort to just putting it in a tub with clear lid, and go with the old fan and spray method. far from ideal (and im a lazy fanner), but i figured it was just a trial run, so it didn't really bother me.

but when the little buggers started pinning and growing, i found them a bit strange looking, wrong shapes, too long and thin, and not enough cap. but i figured this was just due to excess co2 and did not mind.

now four days later its quite obvious that this is no shiitake. more like cubes (B+ by the size of them). but i couldn't understand how. i hadn't handled any B+ culture in months. i took it out of the tub to inspect it closer and just the vibration of taking them out made the stems start blueing. this was obviously some form of cubes.

reading my grow-log i found out that the same day i transferred the shiitake from agar to LC i also put the last of my B+ into storage. somehow i must have screwed up and put the shiitake in storage and the B+ into the LC. absolutely stupid.

but the thing is, the B+ really seems to thrive in the uncased wood. i thought cubes mainly grew on dung and mulched stuff. and it cant be due to the spawn grain because i used only 1:20 and it wouldn't drive it to fruit like this. its at least as good as i used to get on cased grains. and the conditions have been setup for growing shiitake not cubes, so its not been ideal in anyway.

ok, enough babbling, im just really exited that it grows on wood. and if you believe that blueing=potency, these baby's are going to be crazy potent.
Did you allready know that B+ thrives on wood?
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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. [Re: Mindzpore]
    #4422585 - 07/19/05 10:09 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Its not B+, any cubie will of course colonize wood, they wont usually fruit well from it though. People say cubies fruit horribly from rye grass seed too though and I have gotten very nice flushes off it when the water content is right. I havnt tried wood, but you can bet if B+ will do it, so will any cubie.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4422595 - 07/19/05 10:15 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

im sure its B+ and i think you will be to when i get the pictures up.

i think its really cool and would welcome others trying it, just to see that its not just a onetime freak happening (or maby i have a new superstrain going :moneyeyes: ).


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. [Re: Mindzpore]
    #4422663 - 07/19/05 10:52 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I will be too? How LOL..I've grown out almost 20 strains (17 or 18, I forget) along with 2 other psilocybin species, and I couldnt tell one cube from another positivly, except for maybe Penis Envy. The name you call a cubie has so very little to do with what it grows like, or looks like.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4422729 - 07/19/05 11:18 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

yes, i agree with that.

what i mean is that there are no alternatives... there just is no other possible candidate, as i havent handled any other culture in over 4 or 5 months. B+ is the only strain that i have had in living culture in the last 2months, any other strains i have only kept in print form.

so either its shiitake, or its B+. and once i get the pictures up you will agree its not shiitake.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. [Re: Mindzpore]
    #4422744 - 07/19/05 11:21 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Oh I see :smile:

As I said its certainly possible, I've known of a number of people who add sawdust to their substrate...cubies colonize it. I havnt seen any fruit from it before though, so I would still like pictures :smile:


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. [Re: Mindzpore]
    #4424729 - 07/19/05 07:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

yup i had heard this in regularr mush cult a couple times


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. [Re: Mindzpore]
    #4424801 - 07/19/05 08:18 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

in the wild they can't always find brf and vermiculite....:wexican:


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. [Re: silverfish]
    #4425291 - 07/19/05 10:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

teee heee


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. [Re: silverfish]
    #4427644 - 07/20/05 12:12 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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in the wild they can't always find brf and vermiculite....:wexican:




for sure, but i'm just surprised they grow this well on wood. especially considering that they have been at the wrong temp (to low) and have only been fanned and sprayed about once or twice a day. it surely thrives on adversity. from now and on i'll be forever advicing beginners to start with the B+, its almost failproof.

so anyway, i finally managed to get the images from my mobile to the computer (two hours, i hate sony-ericsson). sorry about the flat colours but its a phonecam.

this is what they looked like in the morning when i wrote the first post.

and these two are from the evening, note the fork for size.

now thats not shiitake.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures) [Re: Mindzpore]
    #4428069 - 07/20/05 01:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

There was a theory floating around at one time that the B+ strain was a cubensis/azurescens hybrid. Some people claimed that it did better on wood than other cubensis strains did.


I think this was one of "Mr.G"'s theories, and he had alot of crazy theories. I have yet to see a side by side comparison of B+ along with several other strains on the same wood substrate.


My guess is there wouldn't be much difference.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4428347 - 07/20/05 02:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Your strain of B+ is foolproof, but not all. B+ is the worse strain I've grown...but I'm sure it was just the genetics as it always is. A name is just a name.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures) [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4432977 - 07/21/05 12:55 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

What type of wood did you use?


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures) [Re: yousuck]
    #4437000 - 07/22/05 06:04 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

yousuck said:
What type of wood did you use?



birch shavings, and then ~10% chopped hay for structure, as i was worried that the shavings would get too dense.

Quote:

scatmanrav said:
Your strain of B+ is foolproof, but not all. B+ is the worse strain I've grown...but I'm sure it was just the genetics as it always is.



i'll send you a print if you like.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures) [Re: Mindzpore]
    #4437088 - 07/22/05 08:07 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

WOW! This should be a new tek, LOL! Those are the best cakes I've seen in a loooong time! PM me if your willing to do a trade. I would like a print and a tek, LMAO.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures) [Re: Christoph teh goat luvr]
    #4437897 - 07/22/05 02:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

First of all, B+ on wood has been done since the strain became available. As mentioned above, it was once thought that B+ was an Azure hybrid (it definitely isn't), and I think the only reason Mr G thought this was because it grew on wood (lame brained thinking, like much of his "logic").

But getting to your results, a 1:20 spawn rate will still be enough for the mycelium to use the energy in the spawn to fruit as well as those pics show. I wouldn't be convinced that the spawn isn't heavily involved unless you showed a biological efficiency that couldn't be achieved from the grain and hay, which brings me to:

The hay is also something that the cubes can be growing on other than the wood.

So, what's this come down to? A full 15% of your substrate is standard cubensis substrate. That seems like plenty of a boost to me to allow for decent fruiting even without much nutrition coming from the wood. And the wood? Birch is a very easily digested wood, which I've seen other cube strains colonize without supplement.

So, unfortunately this isn't a discovery. Well, it obviously is for you, but it all seems within the known paramaters to me.
Nice pictures though. I'd be interested if you kept the thread updated with later pictures as well.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures) [Re: mycofile]
    #4438009 - 07/22/05 02:44 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures) [Re: mycofile]
    #4438011 - 07/22/05 02:45 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

yes, it was quite a surprise to me. but do you really think that it would flush that well on only 15% of the substrate? i would expect the yield to me much smaller, with stunted growth. but then again, maby you are right. maby it could do that. but then there would hardly be any further flushes, as those 15% must be exhausted by now.

unfortunately i don't have a scale, but after i have dried them i will take them to a friends shop and weigh the entire flush that way we can have a rough estimate of the total weight of the first flush. however i can already now tell you that i estimate that the fruit mass was equal to that of the substrate.

sure i can update with future pictures. that is, if i get my camera back in time... transferring the images from the mobile was a bitching hassle.

MushroomChris >> i hardly think it will require any TEK (and if it did, there are others WAY more qualified to write them than i am). but if you want a print, i'll happily send u one.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures) [Re: Mindzpore]
    #4439231 - 07/22/05 07:24 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

mindz ambros posted a link, not a suggestion. Some shroomery color themes don't show links in different colors from text.

The link shows sawdust used in the fruiting substrate, which supposedly did better uncased than cased.


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Re: a misstake, and a discovery. (now with pictures) [Re: mycofile]
    #4441684 - 07/23/05 05:56 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, he posted while i was writing, however the link doesnt seem to work.


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