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#4419641 - 07/18/05 05:23 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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So the other night I got trashed with my dad and we ended up talking about music.
We talked about the greats - dylan, pink floyd, jimi, the rolling stones etc etc. He gave me the usual "music peaked in the 60s, modern music has lost its way" monologue. Trouble is, I had some difficulty disagreeing with this. Alot of the music in my collection is from around that era. And it's hard to watch the woodstock movie and not feel envious.
Do you think the music of today will be remembered in thirty years time?
Now my plan is to make a compilation cd of music released in the last 10 years to show the old man that music is still good.
What, in your opinion, are some examples of the best music of the last ten years?
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4419679 - 07/18/05 05:32 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Lateralus or AEnema albums by Tool. Granted, I've never gotten into the music of the 60s-70s, so I don't know how that'd go over with him. Still, I'd say there was just as much mindless shit being pumped out during those decades as now. It's only with the perspective of time do we see what actually had resonance.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: bwalker]
#4419782 - 07/18/05 06:08 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Make him listen to Sufjan Steven's Casimir Pulaski Day.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: NosferatuMan]
#4419802 - 07/18/05 06:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Make him listen to bright eyes-If winter ends. or bright eyes-sunrise,sunset
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Spencyspence28]
#4419827 - 07/18/05 06:19 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Brian Jonestown Massacre - Tepid Peppermint Wonderland
I guess the most appropriate label would be neo psychedelia, they are heavily influenced by the 60's so your dad would like em.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4419857 - 07/18/05 06:28 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
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Well yeah, music was very good from that era, but it can't stay the same forever. Music evolves. Just because it changes doesn't mean it isn't good anymore.
There are plenty of bands that are amazing and great that have made music in the past years that can compare to music of the 60's. I mean really, doesn't it sound a bit irrational to say something like "There will NEVER be a better band than The Doors" or "There will NEVER be a better band that the Beatles" ?
Who's to say what band is better than another anyway? It's all a matter of taste.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4420201 - 07/18/05 08:05 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Neutral Milk Hotel
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4421509 - 07/19/05 01:05 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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just buy him a weird al CD.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: phalloidin]
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Neutral Milk Hotel
YES.
also whoever mentioned sufjan stevens. and.. mason jennings is good also.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4421757 - 07/19/05 02:30 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Get a copy of BT's track Firewater. It's from one of his CDs ESCM.
Also try Hybrid's CD Wider Angle.
There is so much music that it was not possable to make in the 60s that is being made today. Alot, you're father just doesn't know where to look.
There aren't any less talented people now, and Ideas travel WAY faster over the internet you know...
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4421795 - 07/19/05 02:42 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Garaj Mahal, Steve Kimock Band, Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey, and Sound Tribe Sector 9. That will do it.
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#4424711 - 07/19/05 07:54 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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velvet underground was in the 60s and 70s.
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#4425438 - 07/19/05 10:51 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Umphrey's McGee
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4427210 - 07/20/05 08:18 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ben Harper! I'm positive your pa will like Ben Harper, get Welcome To The Cruel World or Fight For Your Mind or his latest with the Blind Boys Of Alabama.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: muistrue]
#4428599 - 07/20/05 03:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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dude, i know all those guys. if the guy that started this thread is trying to impress someone that has done drugs, this band would surely do it.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: ToolTroll]
#4428608 - 07/20/05 03:46 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I couldn't think of anything so I went to random on my media player and it went straight to pink floyd - any colour you like... so I have to listen till it's over now and I'll follow up with some suggestions afterward.
It's my fav song sorry...
and definitely get him to check out Mars Volta they've got many good songs, but my fav is Cicatriz, it has the helicopter from pinkfloyd's the wall.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4428675 - 07/20/05 04:05 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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i'd put together some portishead, bjork, radiohead, NIN, etc. also, give him a broad view of the music. give him some beck, branford marsalis, phish (only something off A Live One), de la soul, alyson krauss (sp?), etc. dont let him think what is on the pop radio station and mtv is what we think good music is. also, we always remember the cool stuff from 40 years ago, but here are some of the top 40 songs from 1969:
# Along Came Jones - Ray Stevens
# Are You Happy - Jerry Butler
# Arizona - Mark Lindsay
# Baby I'm for Real - The Originals
# Baby It's You - Smith
# Baby, I Love You - Andy Kim
# Backfield In Motion - Mel & Tim
# Ball of Fire - Tommy James & The Shondells
# Bella Linda - The Grass Roots
# Birthday - Underground Sunshine
# Black Pearl - Sonny Charles & The Checkmates, Ltd.
# A Brand New Me - Dusty Springfield
# Brother Love's Travelling Salvation Show - Neil Diamond
# Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations
# But You Know I Love You - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition
# Can I Change My Mind - Tyrone Davis
# Carry Me Back - The Rascals
# Cherry Hill Park - Billy Joe Royal
# The Chokin' Kind - Joe Simon
# Choice of Colors - The Impressions
# Cinnamon - Derek (Johnny Cymbal)
# Cloud Nine - Mongo Santamaria
# Color Him Father - The Winstons
# Crystal Blue Persuasion - Tommy James & The Shondells
# Daddy's Little Man - O.C. Smith
# The Days of Sand and Shovels - Bobby Vinton
# Did You See Her Eyes - The Illusion
# Dizzy - Tommy Roe
# Do Your Thing - Watts 103rd St. Rhythm Band
# Don't Give in to Him - Gary Puckett & The Union Gap
# Don't Touch Me - Bettye Swann
# Early in the Morning - Vanity Fare
# Echo Park - Keith Barbour
# Everybody's Talkin' - Nilsson
# Everyday with You Girl - Classics IV featuring Dennis Yost
# Galveston - Glen Campbell
# Games People Play - Joe South
# Gimme Gimme Good Lovin' - Crazy Elephant
# Gitarzan - Ray Stevens
# Going in Circles - The Friends of Distinction
# Good Morning Starshine - Oliver
# Good Old Rock 'N' Roll - Cat Mother and the All Night News Boys
# Goodbye - Mary Hopkin
# Goodnight My Love - Paul Anka
# Grazing in the Grass - The Friends of Distinction
# Groovy Grubworm - Harlow Wilcox and the Oakies
# Hair - The Cowsills
# Happy Heart - Andy Williams
# Heather Honey - Tommy Roe
# Heaven - The Rascals
# Heaven Knows - The Grass Roots
# Holly Holy - Neil Diamond
# Hot Smoke and Sassafrass - The Bubble Puppy
# Hurt So Bad - The Lettermen
# I Can Sing a Rainbow / Love Is Blue - The Dells
# I Got a Line on You - Spirit
# I Guess the Lord Must Be in New York City - Nilsson
# I Started a Joke - Bee Gees
# I'd Wait A Million Years - The Grass Roots
# I'm a Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck
# I'm Gonna Make You Mine - Lou Christie
# I've Been Hurt - Bill Deal & The Rhondels
# In a Moment - The Intrigues
# In the Year 2525 (Exordium & Terminus) - Zager & Evans
# Indian Giver - 1910 Fruitgum Company
# Is It Something You've Got - Tyrone Davis
# Is That All There Is? - Peggy Lee
# Israelites - Desmond Dekker & The Aces
# Jam Up and Jelly Tight - Tommy Roe
# Jealous Kind of Fella - Garland Green
# Jean - Oliver
# Jesus is a Soul Man - Lawrence Reynolds
# Keem-O-Sabe - The Electric Indian
# La La La (If I Had You) - Bobby Sherman
# Let A Woman Be A Woman - Let A Man Be A Man - Dyke & The Blazers
# Let It Be Me - Bobbie Gentry & Glen Campbell
# Let Me - Paul Revere & The Raiders
# The Letter - The Arbors
# Little Woman - Bobby Sherman
# Love (Can Make You Happy) - Mercy
# Love Will Find a Way - Jackie DeShannon
# Make Believe - Wind
# May I - Bill Deal & The Rhondels
# Medicine Man (Part 1) - Buchanan Brothers
# Mendocino - Sir Douglas Quintet
# Mercy - Ohio Express
# Mind, Body and Soul - The Flaming Ember
# The Minotaur - Dick Hyman & His Electric Eclectics
# Moody Woman - Jerry Butler
# Moonflight - Vik Venus
# More Today Than Yesterday - Spiral Starecase
# Morning Girl - The Neon Philharmonic
# Mr. Sun, Mr. Moon - Paul Revere & The Raiders
# My Pledge of Love - Joe Jeffrey Group
# My Whole World Ended (the Moment You Left Me) - David Ruff
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: automan]
#4428892 - 07/20/05 05:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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just make him listen to the new bjork CD
if he can say she has no soul then he's just plain stupid
there are so many true bands out there and its really a shame we have to dig them out but the fact is that souless music sells becouse there are more stupid people (musically or otherwise) then smart ones so it's far more easy to be exposed to souless music then to good honest true music
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Simisu]
#4429059 - 07/20/05 05:42 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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In the seventies you had punk, in the eighties Joy Division and Smiths et al and also the emergence of hip hop.
In the nineties everything from grunge to trip hop, and scenes are still emerging to this day.
The sixties were great, but it was exactly that, the sixties. The music reflected the times and the changes of the 60's, while the music of now reflects our current period of time. Music is never better in one decade than another, it is a never ending process.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: marvoman]
#4429588 - 07/20/05 07:45 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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the black keys got soul.
royksopp too
and I agree with simisu about the new bjork album, its awesome. collaboration between bjork and Rhazel--how can you go wrong? 
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4430050 - 07/20/05 09:25 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Track 1. BT 'Firewater'
Track 2. Hybrid 'Finished Symphony'
Track 3. Rob Dougan 'Furious Angels'
Track 4. Peter Gabriel 'Signal To Noise'
Done. If anyone could listen to those 4 tracks and say there's no soul, I think they have severe misconceptions about what soul is.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Anisotropic]
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if you want to make a cd of good tunes from the past 15 years it's gonna be a lot better than tunes from the past 10 years cause in my honest opinion we went into a really bleak dark age around 1997 when Limp Bizkit got big and we're only just starting to come out of it now. There are some good albums in the past 10 years from bands that got started in the early 90s, but not many good bands that got started after the mid 90s. but of course all music is subjective and maybe i'm going to be a grumpy grunge grandpappy when I go gray.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: question_for_joo]
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Here's a random selection of some very affecting 90's-00's tracks:
Sunny Day Real Estate- Pillars
Mars Volta- Take The Veil
Depeche Mode- Condemnation
Eels- Railroad Man (My dad likes the new Eels album)
Wilco- Jesus Etc., At Least That's What You Said
REM- Drive, Try Not To Breathe
Throwing Muses- Flood, Red Shoes
Built To Spill- I Hurt A Fly
PJ Harvey- Big Exit, To Bring You My Love (More stuff my dad likes)
Radiohead- Pyramid Song
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Metatrad]
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Seek out any good psychedellic music and you'll find music full of soul. Chances are your dad's impression of the music of this generation is what he hears on the radio.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
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I get a feeling that your dad is talking primarily about rock music. If that's the case then I would agree with him. I'd say that the rock genre peaked in the late 1970s and early 80s and has been in a slump ever since then. That's not to say there hasn't been good rock in the last 20 years, but hardly anyone is doing anything original with it. Most original-sounding rock these days doesn't have the pop-radio appeal that the typical cliche rock will have, so the really good stuff isn't going to be heard by your dad on the radio.
Regarding other genres, house/electronic and hip-hop are still enjoying their prime right now. They're definitely not lacking 'soul.' These two styles are still evolving and I think it's a wonderful time to be alive right now to be able to experience the evolution of electronic and hip-hop.
I think a key point in time in the evolution of rock was the 1980s with the popularity of synthesizers. There seemed to be a split in the interests of musicians, where they first combined synths with guitars. In other words, synths were major instruments in the songs, rather than just occasional extra subtleties like they are in rock now. The people that were really interested in purely electronic/synth stuff eventually split from rock music and formed the foundations of house and hip-hop. But there were also musicians who were so against synths due to their hate of disco that they decided to stick purely with guitar. So in the 80s you had like complete opposites in rock music -- you had the synth-pop stuff and then you had the hair bands and punk bands. With the exception of a few popular bands that have incorporated synths as major instruments (The Killers and Orgy come to mind), modern rock seems to have steered clear of synths in favor of pure guitar.
Honestly though, I think rock is going to fade out in the next 10 years. I know this is going to sound like blasphemy here because a lot of peeps on the shroomery love their guitars. But even though the guitar takes skill to play, it's an archaic instrument in that its sounds can completely be replaced by a properly designed synth. There isn't much innovation going on in rock these days, compared to even 10 years ago. And the bands that have been cranking out really original-sounding stuff don't get the radio play that the crap rock does.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: moog]
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ROCK NEVER DIES
I'm sure we'll hit some sort of evolution and rock music will lose it's blandness again. Who cares what gets radio play anyways, if it's good it will be heard SOMEWHERE.
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Funeral by the Arcade Fire is one of the best albums of all time, in any decade. I dont know why old people are ignorant about modern music, most of the indie stuff thats going on right now is directly influenced by 60's pop and folkrock.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: TurdFerguson]
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I didn't mean that it will be heard on the radio, just that it will be heard somewhere. As long as we have the internet good music will not go completely unnoticed. And just wait until internet radio is standard in cars. I think that will be the return of the popular music being the good music.
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As a Scotsman you should expose him to the great scene we got (had..)here; some Beta Band ("Dry The Rain" should suit his 60s tendancies), some Boards ("Roygbiv" or "Julie and Candy") and maybe some 'Gwai (say "Dial:revenge").
None of these are soulless; to convert him to the possibilities of hippity hop I'd say some A Tribe Called Quest; the 1st track on Low End Theory includes a reference to how Tip's rappin reminded his old man of the jazz of his youth... which is very apt in this context!...
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...if that fails, feed him Girls Aloud until he believes.
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Funeral by the Arcade Fire is one of the best albums of all time, in any decade. I dont know why old people are ignorant about modern music, most of the indie stuff thats going on right now is directly influenced by 60's pop and folkrock.
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Yeah indie is influenced by the sixties but usually it sucks SO HARD; the line between ripping stuff off ("influenced by" my fat ass) and drawing from a selection of influences to create something new and exciting is one that is sadly rarely crossed. Certainly the Arcade Fire's album is very, very, very, very far from being one of the greatest albums of all time. No debate.
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I agree with Nuetral Milk Hotel.
Medeski, Martin, and Wood. Pat Metheny. My band's cd.
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Cool, I must confess I'd never heard of alot of these bands, Neutral Milk Hotel for example. I went out and bought "In the aeroplane over the sea" and I am relly glad I did! "Oh Comely" is beautiful. They remind me of the Incredible String Band in some ways, I know my dad would diggit.
I was at a little gathering known as the Wickerman Festival over the weekend and one band there really impressed me with their style. They are called Alabama 3. They had soul. Don't know what their studio recordings are like but if you get the chance to see this band live I would go for it.
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4448012 - 07/24/05 09:00 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Revelation said:
"Oh Comely" is beautiful.
hell yea I love that song
ooooooh cooooomeley
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tomk
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Noviseer]
#4448769 - 07/25/05 12:27 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Let him hear some porcupine tree. Make him a mix cd. That should do the trick. Get:
Collapse the light into earth
Blackest Eyes
Strip the soul
Stars Die
Heartattack in a layby
Colorflow in Mind
Every Home is Wired
Stop Swimming
Halo
Arriving Somewhere, But not here
And be sure to get:
shesmovedon (Not version from deadwing)
Sound of music (better articulates your old mans complaints about much of todays music while at the same time proving good music is still getting made)
He will have to give up after listening to this music. His position is just wrong.
If you want to convince him rap is good, give him aesop rock appleseed or float.
If you want to convince him heavy metal is good, give him meshuggah catch-33.
There is better music being made right this minute then ever before. There are many excellent creative people working on music.
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Edited by tomk (07/25/05 12:36 AM)
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Mafila
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: tomk]
#4481359 - 08/01/05 04:43 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can't believe no one mentioned Dream Theater yet. Easily my favorite prog metal band and possibly one of the best bands I've ever heard.
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Worf
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Revelation]
#4484796 - 08/02/05 11:37 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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there r lotz of good songs from the last 10 years
50 cent - in da club
eminem - without me
shaggy - wasn't me
baja men - who let the dogs out
nelly - hot in here
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Re: Help me convince an old man that not all new music is soulless [Re: Worf]
#4547380 - 08/17/05 06:16 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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outputrotation said:
there r lotz of good songs from the last 10 years
50 cent - in da club
eminem - without me
shaggy - wasn't me
baja men - who let the dogs out
nelly - hot in here
Yeah man, I was waiting for someone to mention the Baha Men.
Was your post ironic? I've spent about 5 minutes trying to figure it out but I can't. It's gotta be though. Please tell me it is.
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