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Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar?
    #4417066 - 07/18/05 01:00 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I just wanted to know if you could add hpoo to your jar so that you can shoot strait to casing? If you can what would be the righ mix using the pf tek?


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: thremix]
    #4417291 - 07/18/05 01:42 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

substatute half of your brf with powdered hpoo. or you can soak the poo in water(simmer) then use that water in your cakes.


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: closetgrower]
    #4417310 - 07/18/05 01:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Or you could hydrate poo to the right water content (maybe 5-10% verm too) then do 25-50% poo, and the rest your normal cake mix (mixed up on the side). I'd guess you'd be ok with as high as 50-75% poo, but I'm not to sure. Maybe try 4 25%, 4 50%, 4 75% (poo) so you can see what works better.


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4417431 - 07/18/05 02:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

good to see some folks thinking outside the box :smile:

let us know how these cakes turn out if you try it out.


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: kake]
    #4417831 - 07/18/05 05:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: ThumpaCap]
    #4419493 - 07/18/05 04:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

powdered hpoo? How would you do that? scat I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me lol. I'm a pretty smart guy but some times I just don't get it sorry. I like the poo water Idea but What is simmer? Thumpacap thanks for the link can this be used for pcub? thanks guys!!


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: thremix]
    #4419613 - 07/18/05 05:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)



Just CRUMBLE some bone dry h/poo & you get almost powder. If you want flour like powder, throw that in a blender, & pulse a few times. :grin:


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: agar]
    #4419646 - 07/18/05 05:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Agar, let's assume, for instance, you've got a tub of h-poo that's about the consistency as what you've pictured above.  Would the best way to make a substrate from that be to add straw and verm, hydrate to field capacity then bag and pasteurize? 

I have no nuggy poolets.  There was just a pile of broken down poo to grab from. 

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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: agar]
    #4419649 - 07/18/05 05:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'm saying make poo like your gonna pasteurize it, add water to the dry poo to hydrate, drain off almost all the water, then add verm until the water content and texture is correct, fiberous and fluffy, and only a few drips comes out when a small handful is squeezed.

Then in another bowl, make your BRF and verm, PF tek style, normal.

Then mix together like 50/50 from one bowl and the other, or maybe try 75% from the poo bowl, and 25% from the PF bowl, or only 25% from the poo bowl and 75% from the PF bowl. Then you can make up whatever ratio you want and go with what works best, maybe try a few out.

Or you can use Una's recipe (listed in the link) or add dry 50/50 dry poo powder/BRF to the verm instead of just BRF. Any of that would work if you did them right.


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4419661 - 07/18/05 05:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I add verm, but not straw Bobo..


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: Kalix]
    #4419664 - 07/18/05 05:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Why not straw?


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: Bobo]
    #4419666 - 07/18/05 05:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Cuz I hate the stuff, I always get bacterial contams with it, I hate chopping it, I hate soaking it for 24 hours..


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: Bobo]
    #4419667 - 07/18/05 05:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If you "broken down" h/poo is STILL very high in FIBER, just add some chunky verm & go with that. If the h/poo is like DIRT, then add some fine chopped straw, to upgrade the fiber content (I hate straw, as it is a pita). Then, add water, do squeeze test, get moisture content RIGHT, add to bags & pasturize. Better than straw, just add verm & coir.


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: Kalix]
    #4419672 - 07/18/05 05:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So verm alone will add enough texture to broken-down hpoo so it doesn't compact and solidify when it's hydrated?


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: Bobo]
    #4419682 - 07/18/05 05:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Nothing alone would, but verm helps. Another great thing to give it the fiberous texture, coco coir. I add it to my bulk runs everytime.


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4419737 - 07/18/05 05:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm.  All right.  I have a bunch of straw still from a bale I bought about a year ago.  :smirk:  I'll try and use that up.  I'll just shred the hell out of it with the mower and add it for the fibrous texture and put some verm in. 

I have some compost I'm going to try and it's essentially got the same problem as the poo--no fibrous texture. 

Anyway, thanks all.  :laugh:


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: Bobo]
    #4419773 - 07/18/05 06:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)


Perfect (IMHO) fiber consistency. :wink:


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: agar]
    #4420589 - 07/18/05 09:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well My pf tek jars seem to be working (I thought they looked dry) I see white myc. It's been maybe 3 days. Now I feel good about moving on to pf poo tek. I liked the poo water idea, can any one confirm the hpoo water works? scat I think I got what your saying now. few things ran though my mind though.

Lets say I were to do that, one tub with poo and verm, one pf tek.
I mix lets say 75%hpoo/25%pf tek. I would go by cup size (for now) it would go 3 cups hpoo/verm then 1 cup pf tek?


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: thremix]
    #4421476 - 07/19/05 12:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yep, exactly..then you mix the 4 cups together and load them into jars, PC, and knock up (liquid cultures would help alot here). Then just break up and case when colonized. If your starting from spores it may be better to use more PF Tek, but I really have no idea, it would take experimenting.


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Re: Can you add Hpoo to your pf tek jar? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4421500 - 07/19/05 01:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It's an interesting idea, I don't know about air flow, rhizomorph growth in it's early stages and at any time really when it's trying to colonize likes the substance to be very breathable and airy, poo isn't really conductive of that, mixed with straw, I suppose is theoretically possible, like you mentioned, it would take experimenting.

The first though that hit my head is your doing a casing inside a jar but then it hit me, of course, casings usually come from prespawned cakes that have been broken up so your really into new territory here even though you would be using familiar substances, interesting idea though...I'm thinking if you wanted to take that then to the next step and make a casing out of that is it possible and yea I suppose it is but I don't know how it would break up. cakes from brf and wbs break up relatively easy, it's a tried and true method this would be new so ya...something for someone to play around with! :smile:

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