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Hyphae plz help!
    #4415363 - 07/17/05 05:32 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

You said

"Also If for some reason (over/under watering, too cold/warm, too much CO2 or to much evaporation, etc;) you had an over abundance of aborts you will need to scrape and recase in order to save that casing. Other than that it is only wasting precious energy."

I think I have that condition, could you elaborate on this a bit?


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4415396 - 07/17/05 05:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The second flush looks lame:



High res link:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/smallworlds69/1a.jpg



Close up of the aborts:



High res link:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/smallworlds69/2a.jpg

What should I do with this?



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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4415442 - 07/17/05 05:50 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Basically aborts are a response to environmental factors being out of the optimal range. Now a casing with loads of aborts will need to have them removed or they will rot. Scraping needlessly only wastes precious energy that would be better off being put into fruitbodies, a properly done casing will have most often the perfect pinset without having to scratch the surface although a light sprinkle of casing mix over the early breakthru's may be necessary (patching) this will help stop early primordia formation which will rob the main flushes energy and makes for a much better pinset (yield).


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: hyphae]
    #4415470 - 07/17/05 05:56 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

O.K. so as for this casing, should I harvest everything, scrape the surface, apply a thin layer of casing and reincubate/pin it?

Or should I try to clear off all of the aborts, and other than that leave it alone?


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: hyphae]
    #4415473 - 07/17/05 05:56 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Remove the caps off a couple of suspected aborts they should be dark blue/green if not the pins may have just stalled, there is a difference, the difference being aborts are a loss cause, stalled pins can often be brought back by adjusting parameters back to optimum but not always.


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: hyphae]
    #4415479 - 07/17/05 05:57 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I have learned the difference in color. There are a lot of aborts, but some are virile pins.


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: hyphae]
    #4415488 - 07/17/05 05:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

And another question, are those aborts which I probably stupidly left sitting there inhibiting new fruiting in the generalized areas where they reside?


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4415519 - 07/17/05 06:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Ok heres the thing all your flushes pins are created in your initial pinset FOR THE MOST PART. I don't see an over abundance of aborts at all I see an awesome pinset possibly stalled. How long have these pins been stalled? And during this time what have your parameters been day and night?


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4415541 - 07/17/05 06:08 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Smallworlds said:
And another question, are those aborts which I probably stupidly left sitting there inhibiting new fruiting in the generalized areas where they reside?



Not at all :wink: they will take nothing from your flush but will add contams if left to rot.


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: hyphae]
    #4415579 - 07/17/05 06:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks. Yeah, I've been fucking up the temps. I have been letting it get hotter than I usually would because I have no incubator and there are jars in there too. According to my thermometer the temps have been ranging from 78F at night to 86F in the daytime.

They are in a double tub setup with me fanning several times a day and probably not enough times.

Misting occasionally when looking dry.

I was letting it get hotter also because I read that mushrooms develop much faster at higher temperatures, so I was hoping to rush things a bit. Probably a stupid idea.


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: hyphae]
    #4415617 - 07/17/05 06:22 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So what do you say? Get the temps to stay at 78F, find a different way to warm the jars, and fan more often?


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4415773 - 07/17/05 06:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

You still on?


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4415781 - 07/17/05 06:50 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Anywhere from 74-77F. is optimum outside this only slows things relatively. Other than that definitely keep your FC and incubator separated. As far as FAE's they love them and transpiration is a key to quick growth much more than raising the temps but remember to replace that moisture that has been displaced during FAE's. Again GL


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Re: Hyphae plz help! [Re: hyphae]
    #4415797 - 07/17/05 06:53 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

O.K. thanks a lot.


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