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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: redgreenvines]
#4404189 - 07/14/05 02:57 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Right!
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: eve69]
#4404537 - 07/14/05 04:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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eve69 said: But I learned alot about the power of the mind, which shaped my destiny and forced me to realize that we can shape things with mental energy alone.
Which you have since then demonstrated to others while not being under the influence of any psychadelic drug, correct?
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4404985 - 07/14/05 06:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, mental energy and an oxy-acetylene torch, a drill press, a band saw, a hammer...
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: I2ancid]
#4405602 - 07/14/05 08:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here is what I have learned from taking upper limit doses of every major paychedelic...it is not powerful enough to truly satisfy my curiosity.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4405737 - 07/14/05 09:00 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: Icelander]
#4412242 - 07/16/05 04:14 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tripping again with the intent to discover what it was that has compelled me to seek out psychedelics; I did reach understanding, that was however, confined within the trip and all that remains now is a subconscious memory of what I did learn.
During this time I discovered pure innocence, I removed all articles of clothing and sat outside in complete harmony, the way I feel we all should be at all times. An inner voice brought me to conclude that the garden of eden is not outside of reach.
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: I2ancid]
#4412257 - 07/16/05 04:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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An inner voice brought me to conclude that the garden of eden is not outside of reach. _______________________________________________________
That is a very good thing to know. Or be reminded of.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: I2ancid]
#4412324 - 07/16/05 04:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Haven't read any other posts...
but I'm pretty happy that I had a horrifying trip.
I caught a glimpse of the path that I need to travel.
Well, not a glimpse, really...
...more like had my FACE shoved into it.
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: I2ancid]
#4412334 - 07/16/05 04:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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You know after being in around trips for 20 years I have learned a few things. First God can not be found in a trip. Nore can a person have any true spiritual growth. Now had you said that to ME 15 years ago I would have thought you were crazy. Trips not find God or Trips not leading to spiritual awakings. LOL you are wrong. Just as many of you may say that I don't know what I am talking about.
But when you have nothing to compare spiritualy other than a drug. Then to you yes a hard trip may benifit you spiritualy or in a mental fashion. I have expereiced many good things from powerfull trips.
But the sad fact is ( sad yes from a stoner like me ) Drugs have only a recreational benifit. If you love getting high and experienceing drugs for all they are worth. The nyou may in fact find something you didn't know before.
But I can tell you that I know not one person in 20 years of getting experienced, getting high that still use druge for any spirtual of mental benifits. Drugs are for the world. The soul is for God. And it is in the inner man, the soul that spiritual needs and wants are found.
Do I suggest that Drugs are a waste of time ? No way.........
Drugs will teach you many things. But there will come a point in any real searcher of truth. Where drugs seem so far down the ladder as to be no longer needed.
I think it is a deep seeded instint to get high. I believe that early mankind got high like it and got smart. So we have all druggies by birth. That is why we all need stimulants. But no we are past Drugs and stepping into truth. But we still hang on..............
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#4412387 - 07/16/05 05:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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But I can tell you that I know not one person in 20 years of getting experienced, getting high that still use druge for any spirtual of mental benifits. Drugs are for the world. The soul is for God. And it is in the inner man, the soul that spiritual needs and wants are found. ________________________________________________________
Here's one for you; Me! Maybe you forgot that Shamans in other cultures have used plant psychedelics for their whole adult lives. So you might want to think on this some more. Maybe you're hangin in the wrong crowd. 
I haven't found "god" in meditation either. Depends of course on what you mean by God, but It is in everything and you can find everything anywhere if your eyes are open.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: Icelander]
#4412430 - 07/16/05 05:26 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes I may be in the wrong crowd. But prof is positive for me.
Drugs opened the doors. Drugs nurtured a deep need to know things. Drugs developed a respect for things I do not understand. Drugs have benifits..........
But I have had real experiences with God and some of the things he has done through me and for me. The things I have done for him are far beond what drugs can offer. It is sad that words can not be proven. That when a person says here " I have heard from God or God has given me direction" Nearly every person here thinks your whacked in the head. LOL
But for me I have see the truth work in my life in huge ways. Not becasue I am special but because I learned that God is fact is real. I learned that by seeking him and putting all fears and doubts behind me. Oh yes I failed many times. I felt that God can not be found. But after some real truthfull seeking in my own heart followed by much living as Jesus. Mixed with real Love I found God and he found me.
Anyway I give a respects to all thoses who feel Drugs can find the answers. But I must say that with all my heart. Drugs are a tiny baby step in the big picture. truth is in you not in a drug.
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4412475 - 07/16/05 05:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said:
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eve69 said: But I learned alot about the power of the mind, which shaped my destiny and forced me to realize that we can shape things with mental energy alone.
Which you have since then demonstrated to others while not being under the influence of any psychadelic drug, correct?
 Peace.
In my every smallest action 
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: eve69]
#4412540 - 07/16/05 06:24 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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"What is to be gained from a hard trip?" If nothing else, being grateful that you made it through it still alive, so Swami can make fun of you still
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: Icelander]
#4412647 - 07/16/05 07:07 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe you forgot that Shamans in other cultures have used plant psychedelics for their whole adult lives.
And the best they could up with is trying to cure people with rattles, smoke and chanting instead of understanding the root cause of illness. Doesn't sound like they tapped into anything at all.
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: eve69]
#4412656 - 07/16/05 07:10 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my every smallest action
A physical action is hardly "mental power alone", now is it?
Why do people change their story? Why do they not believe what they claim to believe?
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#4412709 - 07/16/05 07:35 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fucknuckle, I don't think you are wacked at all. I have seen the same change in myself thru shamanic work. To me it's the same. It's all God. A car crash can get you there. The loss of a child. A sunset. Or you can curse life and become a cynic. Or find a nice safe nich for yourself and hang on for dear life.
Power plants helped me to access the hidden in myself. I had it all the time. The plants just were an aid. That is the essense of shamanic healing for me. But it's more than just healing. It's joy, wonder and love. Love of life, love of God if you will. All is spirit in my life. Your path is every bit as "right" as mine, and so is everyones. Even if it is distructive. That's how the Universe works to me. It's eternal Tao. It's not personal, but belongs to everything.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: Icelander]
#4412732 - 07/16/05 07:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can accept the loss of a child as part of the universe, but not a cynic? How are they oustide of the Tao?
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: Swami]
#4412754 - 07/16/05 07:54 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never said one was better than another. They are all Tao, and while joyfull or painfull to us personally, are just Tao to Tao.
The difference to us is only if one causes more suffering then we may not want it. But maybe we do want it. Maybe we think we should suffer.That is all subjective, as can be seen by the way different people react to the same event.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: Icelander]
#4414063 - 07/17/05 04:11 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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baby steps indeed good one fucknuckle! (those with eyes to see, those with ears to hear...)
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Re: What is to be gained from a hard trip? [Re: redgreenvines]
#4414140 - 07/17/05 06:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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most all my steps have been baby steps. I consider that progress. Babies try and try and never give up or consider their falling a failure, and one day they run.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (07/17/05 08:41 AM)
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