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    #4413975 - 07/17/05 04:12 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

If I am using a drug to reach God or say "God", is this a sin? If so, why or why not?


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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4413985 - 07/17/05 04:20 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

He prefers you use a really tall ladder, or so it is written..


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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4414031 - 07/17/05 05:11 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

How could seeking God be a sin? Extreme times call for extreme measures, find God any way you can.


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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4414060 - 07/17/05 06:03 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

reaching god is personal

sin is a difficult concept, not exactly personal:
sin may only have to do with social control - it is tied up with (personal) archetypes from childhood, boogey man type logic.
find a different way to ask the question or expect endless (rotten logic) conflict to govern this issue.

god and sin do not belong in the same mind at the same time


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Re: Question. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4414147 - 07/17/05 09:01 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Very good, very good.

I was also wondering where the guy who had posted a topic maybe so many months ago who talked to "God" or a "God Head" or something while he was shrooming. It was really really crazy, I still remember how crazy it was but I do not remember the responses he had recieved from his trip on either shroom or acid.

Does anyone remember this? Or if you are here still.


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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4414249 - 07/17/05 11:13 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

yes! because apples are round!

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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4414259 - 07/17/05 11:22 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

God talks to me all of the time...I only need to listen. I here my God in the sound of the wind, the patter of rain, the noise of thunder, my childs laugh, and even the buzz of the honeybee. You don't need entheogens to talk to God...or hear God talk....it is all around you. If you do use entheogens it is a personal choice. It is only sin if it involves you compromising your own sense of integrity as sin is self defined...do not let others have the final say in defining your person....but the ladder idea sounds really good too.

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Edited by Huehuecoyotl (07/17/05 11:29 AM)


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Re: Question. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4414355 - 07/17/05 12:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

IMO, sin is a personal trangression against your own morals and ethics.


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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4414702 - 07/17/05 02:14 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

KairoAnnunaki said:
If I am using a drug to reach God or say "God", is this a sin? If so, why or why not?




Well, since Jesus has often used simple analogies of father and son to make sense of gods "behaviour", I'll use it..

If your son used any means that don't hurth your other children, to reach for you and prove his love to you, would you not be glad?  :wink:

unless you are hurting your loved ones by using drugs, there are people that might not like it because of whatever reasons.
In that case you'd have to talk to them, explain to them, make them see your reasons etc instead of doing it behind their back


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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4414918 - 07/17/05 03:27 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

If you go by Matthew 15:10-16 :

Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean'...Are you still so dull?...Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwshed hands does not make him 'unclean.'

This section is about transcending the simple ritual of eating with unwashed hands! It is not about transcending dietary restriction (which derives from a vision attributed to Peter). It is not about eating psychoactive plants either (not part of Hebrew practice) because taking drugs (which the Greeks were well-versed in) would not be considered a food, it would be considered the practice of 'pharmakeia' - sorcery - same root word for pharmacy and pharmaceutical. Sorcery would be for divination of one sort or another, or for the invocation or evocation of some kind of elementals or demons. Now THIS practice IS sinful from a Jewish or Christian perspective.

However, the taking of a drug which we label as an Entheogen [God-Generated-Within] does not fit the description of sorcery. It DOES fit a description of High Magic as do all sacramental practices including the 'alchemical' Transubstantiation of Bread and Wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ in Catholicism. In this sense - taking a mushroom or a peyote button as a sacrament - somehow the 'flesh' of the Deity [like the word Teonanycotyl, which means 'God's flesh' and refers to the Sacred Mushroom] renders the practice sacred, not profane, not sinful. Sacred and Profane have everything to do with Intentionality, with Will - the one invariant feature of Consciousness (Spirit).


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Re: Question. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4417734 - 07/18/05 03:59 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Ok. That's what I thought. I mean I know about the "spirit of Pharmacia". Which if I can remember right was about "drinking to get drunk and wasted", or doing it for non-positive non-enlightening or non-spiritual things.

Like, smoking a pound of herb because I wanna get so baked to sit there and be baked for a day, going beyond what really needed to even be done.

But then smoking out because I want to enjoy it yet it's still positive, I'm not going out and doing things like getting high and going shopping baked.

Hope I said that right lol

But yeah, I don't think God has a problem with it. And I personally I believe the government got rid of it because of one of those purposes as it's obviously a healing 'drug'. Many other reasons.

What happens to a person when he goes to work drunk? So I don't see why the same thing can't be with weed. :blush:


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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4417754 - 07/18/05 04:13 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Is it a sin to ignore the truth? You may think that using drugs will lead to your knowledge of GOD... but do you think it is truly the way to God? Then I might ask you how you came to that conclusion, and whether or not sin has anything to do with what you are trying to ask.


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Re: Question. [Re: Zero7a1]
    #4417800 - 07/18/05 04:36 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It depends on what the truth is, to me really.

The Bible is a book in which states say, I think at the end of the book where men can not take things out or whatever. Or they will suffer eternity in hell, etc. But what I got from it was that if men takes things out and adds things into the Bible, mankind will suffer because of it.

Would God prevent it? No. Would God prevent it because it's His Holy Word? No. It's a material possession, it's in our hands and it's our responsibility. But no, I believe God would- to some extent keep things from being taken out massively like erasing the whole Jesus history in it.

I mean look what Adam and Eve did. So I don't see why taking and adding things out of the Bible- if not slowly manipulating the text for "easy understanding" (Ex: The Living Bible) lol, compare the Living Bible to ancient Hebrew Texts if you knew both languages. Would be 70% completely different meanings.

If anyone wants to get close to a real truth it would be to learn Hebrew and read the ancient texts. Or go back as far as you can to get to the read source of what to read. I say this because, and you can believe me or not, a guy stayed with us for about a week at my house someone my dad knew from ministry. A man from Israel, who use to be a solider and is now a missionaries(sp) guy. Crazy stuff he can tell you, sad thing is I don't remember all of what he said and wish I knew everything he did.


So is it a sin to ignore the truth? I donno. We're suppose to seek the truth.

If I were to be born today, and grow up five years to be raised inside a church all my life. Do I believe what the preacher says with -his- book. Or should I walk outside the doors and go look for myself?


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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4417839 - 07/18/05 05:07 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

KairoAnnunaki said:
If I am using a drug to reach God or say "God", is this a sin? If so, why or why not?




depends what a 'sin' is to you.

what about using a drug to become god?


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Re: Question. [Re: alsey]
    #4418072 - 07/18/05 07:44 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

A drug to become god... hmm! Interesting!


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Re: Question. [Re: alsey]
    #4418142 - 07/18/05 09:03 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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alsey said:
Quote:

KairoAnnunaki said:
If I am using a drug to reach God or say "God", is this a sin? If so, why or why not?




depends what a 'sin' is to you.

what about using a drug to become god?




is that possible?
To your friend sitting by you you would seem like a stoned person, not like a god.


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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4418295 - 07/18/05 10:44 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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is this a sin?




Ignorance is the true sin ...

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    #4418298 - 07/18/05 10:44 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think, at least, I don't- think he meant it that way.

So what do you mean, ignorance? Ignorance for people to not learn if it is a sin or not. Or ignorance that people say it's a sin without knowing?


Edited by KairoAnnunaki (07/18/05 10:47 AM)


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Re: Question. [Re: alsey]
    #4418315 - 07/18/05 10:54 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Once you're a god you're sin-free and you don't give a flying fuck!


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Re: Question. [Re: KairoAnnunaki]
    #4418360 - 07/18/05 11:16 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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So what do you mean, ignorance? Ignorance for people to not learn if it is a sin or not. Or ignorance that people say it's a sin without knowing?




What he is saying, if I am correct, is that ignorance itself is the sin. :wink:

Personally, to add my perspective to this subject, I find no real meaning to the word.

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