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InvisibleSwami
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On being right
    #4413089 - 07/16/05 11:34 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

If in fact God does exist, then according to most's beliefs, he is 100% right 100% of the time.

Religion teaches us that we should attempt to become more god-like.

Yet, some here whine that being right is a bad thing. We should strive to be wrong more often so that they may feel better about themselves or something...


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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4413095 - 07/16/05 11:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

:grin:


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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4413098 - 07/16/05 11:38 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

ah, but as a human, how can you really be right without having been wrong? And having been wrong, chances are a part of you still is.

conundrum, conundrum.


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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4413129 - 07/16/05 11:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"If in fact God does exist, then according to most's beliefs, he is 100% right 100% of the time."

God is irrelevant to our current existence. Only what we have here and now is important. Here and now is the path to all potential futures.


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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4413166 - 07/16/05 11:56 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
If in fact God does exist, then according to most's beliefs, he is 100% right 100% of the time.

Religion teaches us that we should attempt to become more god-like.

Yet, some here whine that being right is a bad thing. We should strive to be wrong more often so that they may feel better about themselves or something...




Hum..... What I understand is Humilty goes hand in hand with being wrong and humilty also goes hand in hand with being right.

To be right one does not have to say he or she is right. The need to spew in a river of " I am right 99% of the time " as I have heard a few say here. Shows a lack of respect for humilty. And humilty is at the core of respect.

To say that to be "God like is to be 100% right" misses the entire point of what Love is. And what has been taught by many wise men


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Re: On being right [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #4413203 - 07/17/05 12:07 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I don't get what you are saying.

Should Einstein or MLK or Jesus have remained silent to honor your idea of humility?

Where is the beauty in error? Was is beautiful when the Challenger blew up or when the Titanic sank?


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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4413266 - 07/17/05 12:31 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Some people find irony beautiful.


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Re: On being right [Re: orechron]
    #4413302 - 07/17/05 12:43 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I know I do :smile:


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Re: On being right [Re: Shroomism]
    #4413852 - 07/17/05 03:17 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

As far as I'm concerned, 'right' does not exist. All humanity seems to have is probability. In the absence of a God, rightness is baseless.


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Re: On being contentious [Re: Swami]
    #4414062 - 07/17/05 06:08 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

religion says "..."
or
science says "..."

are both bogus statements.
these are not people, they have not made any such statements.

beginning a converstaion, or thread in this way is a bad example,
(shame shame, swamster)


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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4414100 - 07/17/05 07:34 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
If in fact God does exist, then according to most's beliefs, he is 100% right 100% of the time.

Religion teaches us that we should attempt to become more god-like.

Yet, some here whine that being right is a bad thing. We should strive to be wrong more often so that they may feel better about themselves or something...




could you be more specific? Who is saying that?


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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4414256 - 07/17/05 11:20 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"doing right in being wrong!"
-Unknown :P


[down is up, to the side of what?s left to the right?]


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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4415019 - 07/17/05 04:01 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What about "On being direct?"

I think the core understanding here is, is that most think that THEY are right, and that being wrong is a bad thing. Isnt that the jist of most of the converations on these boards?

What they dont realize is, is that accepting being wrong will make them learn what is right... maybe making them... more "god like".

IS that an honest assesment of what goes on these boards, or not?


Edited by Zero7a1 (07/17/05 04:10 PM)


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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4416045 - 07/17/05 07:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
I don't get what you are saying.

Should Einstein or MLK or Jesus have remained silent to honor your idea of humility?

Where is the beauty in error? Was is beautiful when the Challenger blew up or when the Titanic sank?




what I was saying is this........ Being right is evident in the results of ones words or actions. That there is almost no reason to say you are right. Right is right and a person saying they are right does not make them right even if they are. If a person says they are right sometimes then it goes unnoticed. If a person claims theyt are right all the time the most likly they are wrong most of the time.

Unless of course the listener is lost in the ego of the speaker Himself weak and needs to suck from the " wisdom " of the speaker.


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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4416111 - 07/17/05 08:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

First of all, good point Swami. Zing.

Second of all, this conversation has largely decomposed due to everyone's different interpretations of the meanings of certain statements.

Morrowind: Swami did not claim that humans can be right about anything 100% of the time.

HueHueCoyotyl: your statement is, ironically, irrelevant to this particular conversation.

redgreenvines: If I tell you that some religion says that heaven exists, then I would have made a grammatical error. However, this way of speaking is common, and is not bogus because it would be understood to mean that "the beliefs of some religion include the fact that heaven exists."

Fucknuckle: Swami was pointing out one quality that is commonly believed about "god". You thought Swami was attempting to define god as 100% right all the time. He was not.

Mushman: 1 plus 1 equals two. There can be no mistake. In the context of concrete human concepts, there exists true right and wrong. We do not even need units for the 1 and the other 1. A value that is 1 added to the same value is a value that is 2.

Gomp, I love you.

So anyway people, I am not trying to pop holes in your stuff. Remember that this is all leisurely conversation, and that I like all of you. I want everybody to read everyone else's statements carefully, and to word your own with correct grammar so that there can be no mistake about what the hell you are talking about.


Edited by RedNukleus (07/17/05 08:26 PM)


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Re: On being right [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4416272 - 07/17/05 09:25 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

maybe it was being used in a bogus way, (you can warp your head into that gravity pit if you like,) but essentially we have a thread here that is pulled through hte eye of "the needle of contention"; and the most meaningful part of that statement is "the need in needle".

aside from that - we have suffered here from a plague of *"science says this" and "religion says that" threads* which really pollutes the reflective waters of the mind with erroneous conjecture.

science is a humongous body of a thousand clear voices saying different things simultaneously that can't be summarized so easily, and religion, with even more voices, produces a cacaphony that should warp gravity of its own accord.


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Re: On being right [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4416281 - 07/17/05 09:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

ok true. We need people to back up claims.


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Re: On being right [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4418411 - 07/18/05 11:37 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

RedNukleus said:
ok true. We need people to back up claims.




On the "god" subject, to an atheist this is true. But it's also true not everyone is an atheist :wink:

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Re: On being right [Re: Swami]
    #4418961 - 07/18/05 02:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

From Nelson Mandela's 1994 Inaugual Speech

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves: Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and fabulous?
Actually, who are you NOT to be?
You are a child of God.
Your playing small doesn't serve the world.
There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.
We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us.
It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone.
And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.




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Re: On being right [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4419009 - 07/18/05 03:17 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

RedNukleus said:
Mushman: 1 plus 1 equals two. There can be no mistake. In the context of concrete human concepts, there exists true right and wrong. We do not even need units for the 1 and the other 1. A value that is 1 added to the same value is a value that is 2.




"Synergy or synergism, most often refers to the phenomenon of two or more discrete influences or agents acting in common to create an effect which is greater than the sum of the effects each is able to create independently."
AKA 1+1=3

'Right' and 'wrong' are static concepts to define an ever evolving world.


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