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 Re: the myans, where did they go?  [Re: gnrm23]
#443499 - 10/31/01 06:31 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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that's the one! damn mental block was really frustrating me each time writing central and south american over and over again....
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: Axiom420]
#443506 - 10/31/01 06:34 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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right that's a good point, that the mayan people are still around...but why did they leave their great cities? why don't they remember? maybe i'll try find that book.
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: Axiom420]
#443516 - 10/31/01 06:39 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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wow you know a real live mayan? yeah encyclopedias are great but since they're usually put together by englishmen the information on anything non-european is usually fairly crap. same goes for most history teachers. so were the mayans always really short or is your friend mark an exception? could you ask him what happened to his ancestors, see if he knows any cool folklore or whatever, and report back to us?
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: Traveller]
#443661 - 10/31/01 09:14 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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This'll be long but good it is some good info:
The Maya
Building in part upon the rich lagacy of the Olmec culture, the Maya developed an impressive civilization in present-day Guatemala, Honduras, Belize, southern Mexico, and Yucatan. The Maya were separated by linguistic differences and organized into numerous city-states. The development of effective agricultural technologies increased productivity and led to population growth and urbanization. During the Classic era (250-900)AD, the largest Maya cities had populations in excess of fifty thousand. The indreased agricultural production that followed late Preclassic innovations helped make possible the development of large cities like El Mirador. During the Classic period, Maya city-stats proliferated in an era of dramatic urbanization. One of the largest of the Classic period cities was Tikal in modern Guatemala which had a population of more than 50,000 and controlled a network of dependent cities and towns.
The destruction or abandonment of many major urban centers between 800 and 900 AD brought the Maya Classic period to a close. There were probably several interrelated causes for this catastrophe, but no scholarly consensus exists. The destruction in about 750 AD of Teotihuacan, the important central Mexican commercial center tied to the Maya region, disrupted long-distance trade and thus might have undermined the legitimacy of Maya rulers. Some scholars have suggested that climatic change contributed to the collapse, but evidence supporting this theory is slight. Regardlesss of the disputed causes, there is agreement that by 900 AD the Maya had begun to enter a new era, the Postclassic."
[Please note that this was the end of the golden period of the Mayans. The Postclassic civilization was very different, according to this source, heavily influenced by the Toltecs of Central Mexico. This however, was the period in which the famous pyramid Chichen Itza was built, which also functions as a calendar, accurate to two more decimal places than our current Gregorian calendar.]
"Although the reasons are not yet clear, it is known that Chichen Itza experienced significant population loss after 1100AD and was conquered militarily around 1221AD. Following this catastrophe, the city retained a small population and may have remained a religious pilgrimage site.
By the end of the thirteenth century, the Itza exercised political and economic authority across much of Yucatan. The origin of the Itzas is unclear. As their name suggests, they CLAIMED to be the people of Chichen Itza. The Itza elite claimed descent from the Toltecs and were linguistically distinct from the region's original population. They could have been related in some way to the Putun Maya from near Veracruz. The Itza are also believed to have founded the city of Mayapan which imitated Chichen Itza.
"The Itza eventually established dominion over most of the Yucatan peninsula, but many Maya groups remained independent. At its peak, Mayapan had a population of approximately 15,000. The size of the city's population and the quality of its construction were far inferior to that of either the major Classic centers, like Tikal, or Postclassic Chichen Itza. The oppressive economic system probably provoked the warfare and rebellion that led to the end of Itza domination and the destruction of Mayapan about 1450 AD. The ITza persisted, despite these reversals, continuing an independent existence in the Peten region of Guatemala until defeated by a Spanish military force in 1697.
"From the fall of Mayapan until the arrival of the Spanish in the sixteenth century, the Maya returned to the pattern of dispersed political authority. During this final period, towns of modest size, some with no more than 500 inhabitants, exercised control over a more dispersed and more rural population than had been the case in earlier eras. The cycles of expansion and collapse experienced by Chichen Itza imitated in many ways the rise and fall of important Maya centers during teh Classic period. Although no pwerful central authority existed in Maya regions when the Spanish arrived, Maya peoples retained their vitality and sustained essential elements of the cultural legacy inherited from their ancestors."
Personally, I feel that the mysterious population decrease leading to the end of the Mayan Classic era, was probably some type of evolution into a higher vibrational state. Vibrations that the normal eye...... cannot see.
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: D_Tox]
#443665 - 10/31/01 09:17 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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A Mayan Calendar
Kind of interesting, eh?
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: D_Tox]
#443729 - 10/31/01 10:39 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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We went to college together and haven't seen each other since.
There is lots of speculation as to why their culture fadded away. The best that can be figured out based on the scant few primary sources is that the Spanish purposfully killed their priests, intellectuals, and any one with any good amout of authority. After a few generations of living with the European Aliens their culture blended in with them for the economic survival of the Mayan individuals.
It also didn't help that each Mayan conquorer that displaced his ememy as head of the state liked to destroy his predecessor's temples and build his own on the spot with his own particular version of history written on it.
The Mayans were, what we would call, very supersticious in a religious kind of way. Human sacrifice was common. When the Spanish killed the priests there was no one to enforce the killings. And generally as a rule, people prefer a government that doens't kill the closest neighbors just for sacrifices, it isn't personally benificial to the individual. Lots of the Maya were converted to Catholicism, which didn't take as much from the people.
Hey how do I post a scan?
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: Axiom420]
#443806 - 11/01/01 12:32 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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shroomism, according to you the 12th planet (nibiru) has a 2600 year orbit... i was under the assumption that the mayan civilization was at it's peak well after the year 400's bc. (which, according to you, was when the last passing of this planet was). you can't just make anything that seems a little strange fit into your theories...
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: D_Tox]
#443817 - 11/01/01 01:02 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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what is the himalayan kingdom of shambhala (shangri-la!)doing on a "mayan calendar" ?
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: Traveller]
#463942 - 11/19/01 09:38 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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bump
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: SoulJah]
#464950 - 11/20/01 08:02 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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the myans, where did they go?
If I am not mistaken, they moved to North Miami Beach.
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: Axiom420]
#464958 - 11/20/01 08:06 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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bump?
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: ]
#464963 - 11/20/01 08:10 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm discussing history. Not the kind you find in school where things are left out and generally changed around to suit the perspective they want you to take. True history, as it was.
No, not the kind based on actual research, but that based on pure fantasy from reading cheap fiction like Charles Berlitz "The Bermuda Triangle" or Von Danniken's "The Chariots of the Gods".
And how does one study "True History" when it is all locked away in your imagination?
As for my final thought, dolphins are aliens from Sirius,
They swam 10 million light years through a vacuum?
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: coma]
#464975 - 11/20/01 08:19 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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you can't just make anything that seems a little strange fit into your theories...
When one is not using any form of logic or factual substantiation, and makes up the rules as one goes along, he can make it fit to his satisfaction if no one elses.
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: D_Tox]
#464989 - 11/20/01 08:31 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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The interpretations written on this document have nothing to do with the Mayans.
4th dimension light body?
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: Rono]
#465380 - 11/21/01 07:34 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I read somewhere that the Atlanteans were very advanced in the arts of transplanting body parts...even the Brain...and could theoretically live forever by these means.
And the author got his information from where? Getting words published does not give them any sort of validity. What you read was a work of fiction.
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: Swami]
#465928 - 11/21/01 06:48 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sigh, thanks for pissing all over this thread Swami.
I hope somebody lifts the lid off your box someday.
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: D_Tox]
#466372 - 11/22/01 03:50 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sigh, thanks for pissing all over this thread Swami.
Your gratitude doesn't dound very sincere. Please tell me how I have violated the spirit of these boards.
Does a DISCUSSION board mean a "nodding one's head in agreement with whatever tripe is posted" board?
I hope somebody lifts the lid off your box someday.
Talk about inappropriate responses. Instead of ignoring and / or rebutting my posts, you stoop to some kind of threat? That is truly sad.
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: Swami]
#466628 - 11/22/01 01:11 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Does a DISCUSSION board mean a "nodding one's head in agreement with whatever tripe is posted" board?
I believe a discussion board means the back and forth sharing of opinions and knowledge. Shooting down others opinions and labeling them illogical is more of a form of debate.
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: ]
#466659 - 11/22/01 02:03 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never threatened you or anyone. You missed the metaphor. the "Box" is a metaphor. I meant in terms of being open-minded, not a threat of any means.
I never said you had to agree with anything. I said to contribute you should try positive communication. Instead of labelling ideas and opinions "tripe". If you don't agree with an entire thread, how about starting a new thread expressing your viewpoints and ideas.
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Re: the myans, where did they go? [Re: D_Tox]
#466713 - 11/22/01 03:24 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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AMEN!
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