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InvisibleYidakiMan
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This is why we are better than them
    #4409275 - 07/15/05 09:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-976420.php

"During a routine patrol in Baghdad June 2, Army Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer, a medic, was shot in the chest by an enemy sniper...After tracking down the now-wounded sniper with a team from B Company, 4th Battalion, 1st Iraqi Army Brigade, Tschiderer secured the terrorist with a pair of handcuffs and gave medical aid to the terrorist who?d tried to kill him just minutes before."


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Re: This is why we are better than them [Re: YidakiMan]
    #4409286 - 07/15/05 09:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Who wants to see a pic of a terrorist being treated by US medics after a battle? The dude's foot is hanging by a few strands of muscle, it's sick.


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Re: This is why we are better than them [Re: downforpot]
    #4411370 - 07/16/05 12:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't see any picture of a wounded Iraqi.  There is a picture of the Pfc and a video of the attack on him. But if you read the report, he was wearing his flak and there is no gore.

And even after you say its there, I went back and looked for this supposed gorey pic and I still can't find WTF you are talking about.  So, one of us needs to go back and RTFA, but I am not sure if you are full of shit or I am blind.  :confused:


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Re: This is why we are better than them [Re: YidakiMan]
    #4411616 - 07/16/05 02:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So, we force our way into their land and occupy it, they try to force us back out, and we give medical treatment to a sniper that we catch, medical treatment that they don't even have but that we brought with us, because we have ripped them off for years and they cannot afford medical treatments, and that somehow makes us "better" than them?

What if some country came to the U.S. and occupied New York? Wouldn't New Yorkers everwhere bust out the 9mm's? So idiotic to presume that these people are wrong for shooting at an occupying foreign army..

What about the next phase, after the sniper is healed and transported to Guantanamo Bay Cuba to be tortured and humiliated, spit on, burned, shocked, and tortured for years and years without any legal rights whatsoever? I guess that's what makes us "better than them" too?

The whole idea that "we are better than them" is just a war mongering attitude, and nothing more.


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Re: This is why we are better than them [Re: downforpot]
    #4413489 - 07/17/05 01:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

downforpot said:
Who wants to see a pic of a terrorist being treated by US medics after a battle? The dude's foot is hanging by a few strands of muscle, it's sick.



So he shoots our guy and then we wound him and try to treat him and it is a bad thing? We could have killed him and left him there. I don't like the fact that he was hurt, but damn he attacked us and we retaliated. Whos fault is that?


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Re: This is why we are better than them [Re: downforpot]
    #4413654 - 07/17/05 02:24 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

downforpot said:
Who wants to see a pic of a terrorist being treated by US medics after a battle? The dude's foot is hanging by a few strands of muscle, it's sick.




I couldn't find a picture of a wounded person.

What are you really upset about....

seeing a wounded person...

or seeing one of our soldiers helping a wounded enemy?


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Re: This is why we are better than them [Re: z@z.com]
    #4415307 - 07/17/05 05:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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We could have killed him and left him there.





Or we could have cut his head off, just as he would have done to a wounded or live prisoner.

But we didnt and that is exactly why we are better than him.


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Re: This is why we are better than them [Re: YidakiMan]
    #4415368 - 07/17/05 05:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, it's baffling that our military would prefer to keep a sniper who likely has valuable strategic knowledge alive. As to comparing the behaviors of two radically different militaries in an attempt to posit one as morally superior, which I assume is what you were getting at when you said better.


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Re: This is why we are better than them [Re: orechron]
    #4415580 - 07/17/05 06:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

From:
The Types of Jihad
http://www.ummah.net.pk/harkat/jihad/t-jihad.htm
(site is offline, but here's the google-cache of the article)
There are two types of Jihad against the Kuffar

1- Offensive Jihad
2- Defensive Jihad

1- Offensive Jihad is when the Muslims launch an offensive attack. If this attack is on the Kuffar who have previously received the message of Islam, then to call them towards Islam before commencement of the attack is considered preferable.

However, if the message of Islam has not reached them, then the Kuffar will be invited towards Islam. If they reject this true faith, then they will have to pay Jizyah (Kufr tax). If they refuse to submit to the payment of Jizyah then the Muslims are to fight against them. With this type of Jihad the Kuffar who plot against the Muslims are repelled and their hearts are filled with fear, so that they do not succeed in their plans.

The offensive Jihad is Fardh Kifayah, the purpose of which is to ensure the Kuffar remain terrorised and away from mischief, thereby, allowing the message of Islam to be conveyed without any obstructions.

If one group of Muslims fulfil this obligation then it will be sufficient on behalf of all Muslims, but if there are no Muslims fulfilling this obligation then everyone is considered sinful.

It is stated in Fatawa Shami: It is required of the Imam (leader) of the Muslims to dispatch the army routinely once or twice a year towards the Kufr countries. It is also the duty of the Muslim public to assist the Imam in this noble cause. If the Imam does not send an army, then he will considered sinful.

The majority of Jihad undertaken at the time of our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) was within the category of offensive Jihad.

The Quran has called upon the Muslims to undertake the offensive Jihad and when this obligation is satisfactorily fulfilled there would be no apparent need for the defensive Jihad.

When Muslims neglect this important obligation then they are subjected to the defensive Jihad and this has become, with regret, widely common in our time.
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From:
www.islam-qa.com
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=5441&dgn=3
Question #5441: Was Islam spread by the sword?

Question:
Some enemies of the religion claim that Islam was spread by the sword. What is your response to that?

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Islam was spread by proof and evidence, in the case of those who listened to the message and responded to it. And it was spread by strength and the sword in the case of those who stubbornly resisted, until they had no choice and had to submit to the new reality.

And Allaah is the source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace.

Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah, 12/14
(www.islam-qa.com)



recent update on the same question:
Question #43087: Was Islam spread by the sword?
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=43087&dgn=3

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From:
Jihaad against the kuffar is of two types
http://www.islamicawakening.com/Sahar/Ji...202000%20.phtml
by Dr. Abdullah Azzaam:
Offensive Jihaad (where the enemy is attacked in his own territory).

Where the Kuffar are not gathering to fight the Muslims. The fighting becomes Fard Kifaya with the minimum requirement of appointing believers to guard borders, and the sending of an army at least once a year to terrorize the enemies of Allah. It is a duty of upon the Imam to assemble and send out an army unit into the land of war once or twice every year. Moreover, it is the responsibility of the Muslim population to assist him, and if he does not send an army he is in sin.

And the Ulama have mentioned that this type of jihaad is for maintaining the payment of Jizya. The scholars of the principles of religion have also said: "Jihaad is Da'wah with a force, and is obligatory to perform with all available capabilities, until there remains only Muslims or people who submit to Islam."



From:
The book of Miscellany - Chapter 49
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/00/chap049.htm
Riyad-us-Saliheen
Compiled By Al-Imam Abu Zakariya Yahya bin Sharaf An-Nawawi Ad-Dimashqi
390. `Abdullah bin `Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "I have been commanded (by Allah) to fight people until they testify that there is no true god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform Salat and pay Zakat. If they do so, they will have protection of their blood and property from me except when justified by Islam, and then account is left to Allah".
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Commentary: This Hadith brings out the following .... points:

1. The objective of Jihad. This objective warrants that one must struggle against Kufr (disbelief) and Shirk (polytheism) and the worship of falsehood in all its forms. Jihad has to continue until this objective is achieved. This contention is supported by a Hadith, to the effect that Jihad will continue till the Day of Resurrection. In this Hadith the word (An-Nas) translated above as "people" stands for the polytheists and idolaters. The reason being that other Nasus (pl. of Nass, meaning `text') confirm the exemption of Ahl-ul-Kitab (people of the Scriptures) from it subject to the condition that they agree to pay Jizyah (dues imposed by Islam on the people of the Book living under the protection of an Islamic state) and submit to the Muslim rule.

The Arab pagans have only the choice to either embrace Islam or face war.

In the latter case, it is incumbent on the Muslims to wage Jihad against them to wipe out Kufr and Shirk and raise the banner of Tauhid everywhere.

This Hadith strongly refutes the people who distort the Islamic concept of Jihad and hold that Islam preaches defensive war only. It is an apologetic approach because defensive war has to be fought in any case by every nation and country. Thus, it is a compulsion and needs no justification. The real distinction of Islam lies in its enjoining Muslims to wage war for upholding the truth besides fighting for their own defense.

The domination of Kufr, Shirk and falsehood is darkness, heresy and tyranny, and the objective of Islam is to purge the world of all these evils. It aims at liberating man from the worship of man, set them on the path of worship of Allah, and to provide a just and equitable society to mankind.

Wherever in the world there is tyranny, ignorance and heresy, Muslims are bound to fight such evils and finish them by means of Jihad.
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From:
http://www.almuhajiroun.com/ (Brittish muslim site)

click 'Al Khilafah' --->
click: 'The Destruction of the Khilafah' --->
click: 'Islamic Conquests' --->
The Islamic Conquests to Spread Islam
http://www.obm.clara.net/Islamic_Topics/Khilafah_Destroyed/Islamic_Conquest.htm:

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The mission of the Islamic nation in life is to carry the Message of Islam to the whole of mankind, therefore the Muslims had to be in touch with the world. The Islamic State was thus obliged to carry out this task which Islam has decreed in order to convey the Message. It was inevitable that the State would conquer other countries and achieve this with great success. These conquests were merely the implementation of an Islamic obligation, which is the conveying of Islam to people in a manner that would catch their imagination by implementing its rules on them and spreading its concepts among them. Therefore the Islamic conquests were not designed to exploit and colonise people, nor were they made to take advantage of the resources of their land. The only aim was to carry the Message of Islam to them in order to save them from the miserable lives that they were leading and the rotten regimes that they were ruled by. This is clearly apparent, for that is why the Islamic State was founded, the Islamic conquests carried out and Jihad decreed.

The Islamic State was established on a very strong basis, an establishment that saw it grow and expand, spread and conquer other countries.

The Messenger of Allah (SAW) had designed the plan of the conquests before his death.

His plan was also reflected in the launching of the raids of Mu'ta and Tabuk and in the preparing of Usama's army.

This necessitated the conquering of every country regardless of its poverty or wealth and regardless of the resistance put up by its people. The spreading of Islam and the carrying of its Message ignores the wealth or the poverty factor and the acceptance or the refusal of the people. The main aim is simply the conveying of Islam, to establish it as an intellectual leadership from which a way of life is derived. This Message should be carried to all mankind in all the countries.

The Holy verses came thick and fast commanding the Muslims to fight in the way of Islam.

"And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah" [TMQ; 8:39]

And He (SWT) says in Surah Al-Baqara:
"And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; But if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression." [TMQ; 2:193]

Allah (SWT) says in Surah Al-Tawbah:
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the Deen of truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" [TMQ; 9:29]

These verses, among others, have commanded the Muslims to perform Jihad and indicated to Muslims the aim behind the conquests. It was these verses that motivated the Muslims to conquer other countries.

From:
General Musharraf's attempts to please Hindus
http://www.jamatdawa.org/english/articles/pakistan/agra_summit.htm


If only General Musharraf has studied the Muslim history, he would have known that how Muslims used to represent Islam in the courts of disbelievers. The first thing they always did was to invite the disbeliever ruler to Islam. Their visits were never unsuccessful. They invited disbelievers to Islam. If they rejected this invitation they waged Jihad to fulfill Allaah's commands. Muslim generals have never had unsuccessful visits. They always returned successful. They never needed any protocol or welcome. They had embraced Islam fully and they followed the injunctions earnestly. They deemed it a command of Allaah to clash with disbelievers and to shed blood for the dominance of Islam. This was the key to their success against the Christian, Persian and other empires.


From:
The Legislation & The Beginning of Jihad
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/History/jihad-legislate.htm
by Akram Diya al 'Umari
Professor of the History of the Sunnah, Graduate Department, Islamic University of Madinah, Saudi Arabia


The Legislation of Jihad

Jihad is an Islamic legal term meaning fighting in the way of Allah in order to establish a just system which upholds the laws of the Shariah and seeks to realize the aims of Islam on earth.

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Then came the third stage in which the Muslims were ordered to fight the Mushrikun and to initiate the fighting. This was to facilitate the spread of Islam by removing any obstacles placed in its path by the forces of Shirk (polytheism or idolatry), and to give the Muslims the upper hand in the world.

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Describing the Futuhat* as defensive is an apologetic attempt which does not stand up to serious argument. Did the people of Andalusia or Transoxiana cross the Muslims' borders in order to conquer them? Did securing the borders necessitate the Muslims' penetrating deeply into three continents, Asia, Europe and Africa, where dangerous events and decisive battles took place far from the Arabian Peninsula, such as the battle of Tours at Poitiers in the south of France, the conquest of Crete and southern Italy, the battle of Tiraz on the Talas river in Transoxiana, and finally the siege of Vienna?

The true explanation of the Futuhat is that they applied their religious duty which is Jihad, and which the Prophet(P) described as the pinnacle of Islam.

*Futuhat = 'liberation campaigns' resulting in the spread of Islam

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From:
EUROPE UNDER MUSLIM RULE
http://jamat.101main.net/english/articles/history/europe_under_islam_i.htm

Dr Mohsin Farooqi takes a look at the history of Muslim rule in Europe to remind the Muslims Ummah of its glorious past

Mother-site for these quotes:
Jama'at ud Da'awa
http://jamat.101main.net/english/jamatdawa/index.htm

Welcome to the Jama'at ud Da'awa Web site. Our goal is to provide you with useful information about our organizations. Jama'at ud Da'awa has been serving the Muslims of the world for many years.
From:
Europe under Muslim rule Part I
http://jamat.101main.net/english/articles/history/europe_under_islam_i.htm

some quotes:
Dr Mohsin Farooqi takes a look at the history of Muslim rule in Europe to remind the Muslims Ummah of its glorious past

Not only the young Muslim generation but also the intellectuals have been suffering from a feeling of inferiority complex. Some of the reasons of this situation might be that our youth are not conscious about the historical facts or it is lack of confidence on the part of Muslim intellectuals or disunity among Muslim countries. They observe the backwardness of Muslim society only and shut their eyes about its magnificent past and potentialities of the present and future.

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CYPRUS

In 674 AD, it was raided and in 653 AD Amir Muaviya conquered it and stationed a garrison of 12,000 men on the island. It remained under Muslim rule up to 966 AD.

It was captured by Kara Mustafa again in 1570-71, during the reign of Sultan Selim II.

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GREECE

Greece started coming under Muslims form 652 and remained as such up to 1918 a period of 1266 years. Rhodes was attacked in 652 AD, during the reign of Amir Muaviya. A Muslim colony was established. Later on it was withdrawn.

It was again conquered by Turks during the reign of Solayman the magnificent in 1532. It was conquered by Muslims from Spain during the period of Khalifa Hakam. It remained under Muslim hands up to 961 when it was taken by Byzantine Empire.

The Island was again attacked by Turks in 1645. The chief city Candia was laid siege to for 25 years.

In 1397, the rest of Greece was conquered during Bayezid I and Greek Empire became a tributary to the Sultan.


ITALY

Sicily was subjected to raids from Muslims in Egypt between 652-70 and even Syracuse, the capital, was laid under tribute but it owed allegiance to the Roman Empire till 826. It was conquered by Moors from North Africa. In 962, the Island was completely Muslim. Their dominance remained upto 1060.

Muslims from Sicily used to attack Calabria, Compania, Brantia, Locania and Appolia in South Italy and occupied them temporarily. If there had been any united leadership of Muslim forces there can be little doubt that the whole of Italy would have fallen to them.

But unfortunately the Amirs of Sicily insisted upon their own independence while the Moors had severed connection with Caliphate of Baghdad and this mutual bickering thwarted the establishment of Muslim rule over the whole of the Italy.


SARDINIA

The first expedition to Sardinia was sent in 707 AD which conquered it. The second was sent by Musa in 712. During the reign of Abdur-Rahman, in 773, Muslims exposed it to attacks. In 808 Spanish Muslims attacked Sardinia but were defeated. In 809, African Muslims attacked and in 820 a Muslim fleet attacked it.

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FRANCE

First Attempt:
In 719 Arabs started pouring in Septimania, in southern France. They occupied cities of Carcassone, Narbonne and Avignon in 730. Spain's new Governor Abdul Rahman planned to conquer whole of France and started capturing Geronne and Bourdeaus. He marched forward across river Loire with the object of capturing Tours. He fought a battle in 732 somewhere between Tours and Poiters and was defeated utterly. No further attempt was made by Muslims on this side.

Second attempt:
On the second campaign Muslims attacked the coasts of the Province on the frontier. But the last attack had a much wider expanse and extended from Dauphine right upto the borders of Germany. Province was conquered and the Emirate head quarter was Fraxinet, now the village of Gade Frainet which is situated at the foot of Mt. Alps. The period starts from 889. By the year 906 Muslims crossed the Dauphine, crossing Mont. Cenis and made themselves masters of the Novalese Abbey which was situated in the Valley of Suse on the frontier of Piedmont. In 911, all the passes of Mount Alps between France and Italy were controlled by Muslims.

In 908 Muslim adventures came to the coast of the Longuedoc. In 920 Muslims crossed Pyrenees, laid waste a considerable part of Gascony right upto the gates of Toulouse.

Marseilles and Aix were invaded. In 935, they advanced upto Liguia. In 939, they conquered the district of Valais and Trantaine country fell on their feet and district of Valais and Trantaine country fell on their feet and in 940 Frejus, a port.

Narbonne remained for 40 years. An attempt was made again to capture Narbonne in 1019 AD the Comarague country in South France was under Muslims for some time.

Third Attempt:
In 1003, the Spanish Muslims attacked the neighborhood of Antibes and carried off with them among others a number of clergy. In 1019, Muslims disembarked opposite Narbonne. In 1047 the Island of Lerins which was under Muslim domination 300 years ago was invaded and number of monks were carried away. The incursions into France by sea continued up to the great development of the French Navy and did not really came to an end till the occupation of Algiers by the French in 1832.


BULGARIA

Its occupation by Turkey was started in 1363 but the whole country was conquered by 1393. It remained under Muslim rule for 551 years.


HUNGARY

Since 1393, Bayezed commenced a system of raids into Hungary for plunder only. King of Hungary appealed in 1395 to the Christian powers of Europe and backed by Pope, France, England, Scotland, Italy, Germany, Knights of Jerusalem, Romania and Yugoslavia started in the nature of crusade. This combined force was defeated by Muslims at Nicopolis.

Turks after 1421 were engaged in constant raids into Hungary.
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From:
Europe under Muslim rule Part IV
http://jamat.101main.net/english/articles/history/europe_under_islam_iv.htm

some quotes:
RUSSIA, UKRAINE and BELO RUSSIA

The southern areas of Azerbaijan, Daghestan, Georgia and Armenia were conquered by Muslim in 641 A.D., and remained under Arabs, Persians and Turks upto 1878 except for intermittent periods.

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MALTA

Malta fell to Muslim attacks even before 652 A.D. The hold on Malta was stronger than on Sicily and Muslim influence was more firmly established as the Maltese language is a dialect of Arabic. The island was lost to Islam in 1090. Turks led a naval attack on Malta in 1565. It was attacked again in the same year but Turks could not conquer it although they were masters of Mediterranean Sea. It remained under Muslims for 438 years.

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MONACO

The small principality was under Amirate of Fraxinet during 889-975. In the later period it was attacked by Muslims several times.

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ROME

In 846 a fleet form the African coast sailed up to Tiber and the Muslim warriors actually entered Rome. The invaders were driven back. But three years later another attack was launched by Aghlabid monarch Muhammad, who sent a fleet form Sardinia. The ships cast anchor 16 miles from Rome and prepared to land troops. By the efforts of Pope Leo IV an alliance of maritime countries was hastily formed to counter the threatened attack and defenders aided by a great storm were able to route the Muslim fleet at the battle of Ostia. In 813 Muslims attacked Civi Vecchia in the neighbourhood of Rome.

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WESTERN COAST of ITALY

The district of Genoa and Pisa were subject of constant attack form Sardinia particularly during the reign of Al-Mujahid.


NORTHERN ITALY

In 906 Muslims crossed French border at Mont Cenis made themselves masters of Novalese Abbey in Suse on the Piedmontese frontier. In 911 Muslims were masters of all the lines of communications between France and Italy. They made frequent descents into the plains of Piedmont and Montferrat. In 935 some adventurers from Africa attacked Montferrat, massacred the males and made it the centre of their numerous expeditions as well as place of refuge from the enemy. In the later period Italian coasts were the constant target of Muslim ravages.

Muslims conquered Piedmont, Montferrat and Liguria.

Al-Mujahid became the master of Denia and Balearic Islands and became terror to the Inhabitants of Corsica, Sardinia, Pisa and Genoa.

Turks about 1456 crossed the frontier of Italy and ravaged the region of Friuli in North East Italy. .


POLAND

Poland was under Muslim Rule when Golden Horde conquered Cracow and Rzeszow. It is probable that they controlled the area for about two centuries, 1272-1453. In 1672, Turkey attacked Poland and the city of Kaminiec, the capital of Podolia was captured.

The terror of Muslim invaders along the old Danube highway hang over Europe for centuries.


ROMANIA

The occupation of the country starts from 1393, When Silistra and Widdin were captured by Bayazid 1, Sultan of Turkey.


MEDITERRANEAN SEA and EUROPEAN COASTS

In 1538, the Turkish Navy defeated the combined naval force of Spain, Venice (Italy) and Pope, a number of times. This made them master of Mediterranean Sea. Muslims from North Africa ravaged the coasts of Spain, Italy and France and even occasionally of England and Ireland devastating the cities and villages and carrying away booty and captives. The city of Bristol in England used to be the main target. The coasts of Portugal at Madeira was roamed by Algerians even upto 1670.
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From:
Conquest of India Prior to the Day of Judgment
http://www.islamicawakening.com/

http://www.islamicawakening.com/Sahar/Th...h%202000.phtml:
Conquest of India Prior to the Day of Judgment

'Ali Al-Timimi At-Tuwaijiri's Ithaf al-Jama'a, Vol. 1, pp. 365-366.

The latest conflict in Kashmir between the mujahideen and India brings to mind the ahadeeth regarding the conquest of India prior to the day of Judgment.

Thawban - may Allah be pleased with him - that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "Two groups of my umma Allah has protected from the hellfire: a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with 'Isa b. Maryam - 'alaihimas- salat was-salam." Reported Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, and at-Tabarani.

Na'im b. Hammad in al-Fitan reports that Abu Huraira - may Allah be pleased with him - said that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) mentioned India and said, "A group of you will conquer India, Allah will open for them [India] until they come with its kings chained - Allah having forgiven their sins - when they return back [from India], they will find Ibn Maryam in Syria."

While Abu Huraira said, "The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) promised us the conquest of India. If I was to come across that I will spend my soul and wealth. If I am killed then I am among the best of martyrs. And if I return then I am Abu Huraira the freed." Reported by Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, and al-Hakim.

In another narration reported by Ahmad, Abu Huraira says, "I was told by my khalil, the truthful and believed in, the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) that there will be in this umma an expedition sent to Sind and Hind (India) ... ."

The rest of the narration is the same but it has the following addition, "... then I will be released from the Hellfire." At-Tuwaijri remarks this addition explains what is meant by "the freed" above.


Historical background:
Ibn Kathir remarks in al-Bidaya wa n-Nihaya, "The Muslims invaded India during the days of Mu'awiya in the year 44 A.H and [great] events transpired then. And [likewise] the mighty and magnificent King Mahmud b. Subuktikin the ruler of Ghazna invaded the lands of India at the turn of the fifth century. He entered India and killed, took captive, [and] enslaved [many]. He took [muc] booty. He entered as-Sumanat (*) and destroyed the great al-Budda which they worship and he stripped it of its jewlery. He then returned [to Ghazna] safe, [Divinely-]aided, and victorious."

* as-Sumanat is a costal city where India's scholars, monks, and the idol al-Budda are found.

At-Tuwaijiri remarks that Ibn al-Athir has detailed the campaigns of Mahmud b. Subuktikin in his book al-Kamil fi t-Tarikh.
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From:
Waging War against Non-Muslims
http://www.renaissance.com.pk/mar_d2y2.html
( Pakistani based, monthly magazine Renaissance)

2. Waging War against Non-Muslims

Authorities are of the opinion that Muslims must fight the polytheist nations as well as the Jews and Christians of today until they subdue them. It is further held that while the polytheist nations must be put to death if they do not accept faith, the Jews and Christians can be allowed to live on their religions if they submit to Muslim authority by paying Jizyah.

The following verses are generally presented in support of this view:

Slay the Idolaters wherever you find them. Seize them, surround them and everywhere lie in ambush for them. But if they repent from their wrong beliefs and establish regular prayers and pay Zakah, then spare their lives. God is Oft-Forgiving and Ever Merciful. (9:5)

Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah after being subdued and live a life of submission. (9:29)

It has been shown in the previous sections that these verses and other verses of similar meaning specifically pertain to the polytheists, the Jews and the Christians of the Prophet Muhammad?s times. They had deliberately denied the message of Muhammad (sws) and were as a result given this punishment.

After Muhammad (sws), his authorized Companions (rta) carried on the mission against the major political powers of their times. This onslaught, it has been discussed earlier, was specific to their status as witnesses to the truth, and their endeavour was basically a manifestation of a divine scheme.
Consequently, the age old debate about whether Islam was spread through the sword or not should also be understood in this perspective. The Companions (rta) of Muhammad (sws) in their collective capacity were only enforcing the implication of their status as witnesses to the religion of the truth.

In reality, they were not spreading Islam; they were punishing people who had deliberately denied the truth.

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From:
An Incident related to the Life of the Prophet (pbuh)
http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=1768

"The Qur'an tells us that Muhammad (sws) was not only a Prophet (nabi) but also a messenger (Rasu'l) of Allah.

The Qur'an tells us that when Allah sends His messenger in a people, these people are not allowed to live on Allah's earth if they reject the messenger.

It tells us that these people are given time in which to make up their minds and to present all their objections against the messenger (Rasu'l). It tells us that when the Al-knowing Allah decides that these people have been given adequate time and that they are now absolutely clear of the truthfulness of the messenger and thus are not left with any excuse for their rejection but still are persistent in their rejection then Allah directs his prophet to migrate from the area and then he destroys all those who have rejected his messenger.

The Qur'an refers to the peoples (nations of the messengers of old - Noah, Hood, Lot, Shoaib, Saaleh and Moses (pbuh)- and narrates the result of their rejection. It declares to the direct addressees of Muhammad (sws) that if they don't accept the message of Allah's messenger (Muhammad) their fate shall be no different from those nations that have gone before them. (Surah al-Qamar the whole Surah especially verse no 43-45)

In short the Qur'an says it is the unalterable law of Allah that when he sends his messenger in a people, these particular people are left with no option but to accept his message or to face the punishment of death and sometimes complete annihilation. "

"The Qur'an goes further to tell us how this punishment was implemented on the polytheists from among the direct addressees of the Prophet (sws).

It tells us that although the previous nations of the messengers of Allah were annihilated because of their rejection through (apparently) natural calamities the companions of Muhammad (sws) because Allah has given them rule in a land (Medina) shall fight the rejecters and through these believers shall Allah implement his punishment (al_Tauba 9:14-16).

It directs them that the Mushrikeen should be killed without any exception. They should only be allowed to live if they accept Islam (al-Taubah 9:5). On the other hand, it also directs them that the Jews and the Christians (because they weren't polytheists I.e. Mushrikeen) even if they don't enter the folds of Islam, they may be allowed to live if they accept to live under the Muslim rule and agree to pay the Jizyah (Al-Taubah 9:29).

Thus the Prophet (sws) sent his messenger who declared at the time of Hajj that no one from among the rejecting polytheists shall be allowed to live after the prohibited months, if he does not accept Islam.

As a result of this declaration, most of the people who previously were polytheists, accepted Islam and thus the punishment of Allah was avoided."

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    #4416939 - 07/18/05 12:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I am sending the pic to people through pms. It's not from the same incident.


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    #4417252 - 07/18/05 01:33 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Our thugs are better than their thugs.


Thier countries are shit because their culture is shit, not because of anything "we" did. They need to pull their heads out of their 7th century asses so we don't have to keep sending our thugs over there to take care of business.


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    #4417314 - 07/18/05 01:49 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I like how you say we kept them down when Saddam was releasing nerve gas and other bioligical weapons on small villages for the 20 years. Yeah, WE def. kept them down. Sure we enacted sanctions. But you act like the regime that was currently in power before we invaded were saints.


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    #4417374 - 07/18/05 02:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I like how you say we kept them down when Saddam was releasing nerve gas and other bioligical weapons on small villages for the 20 years. Yeah, WE def. kept them down. Sure we enacted sanctions. But you act like the regime that was currently in power before we invaded were saints.




The American government has perpetrated acts on a similar scale on American civilians. You just won't hear about it because the government is our "friend" and "protector". Oh yeah, you also won't hear about it because the American people are already under their complete control

Go to this link http://www.freepressinternational.com/us_1272004_corrupt_188220.html to see some of the disgusting things OUR government has done to OUR fellow Americans over the years. I'm just waiting for the government to start testing some new chemical agent on those lucky, liberated Iraqis.


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    #4417630 - 07/18/05 03:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Too bad that site gave no references on where they got that knowledge. Also not all of those were the governemnt per se. All they state is that this doctor did such and such. Im not saying that the America is innocent. But the site you refer to is a conspiracy theory type of site. I dont hold much credit to it.


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    #4418454 - 07/18/05 11:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So you've never heard of the Tuskegee experiment or MKULTRA? Just google some of the things on that site and you'll see that some may be just theory as of now but many are well documented and the government has fessed up to many of the incidents. That site is just a good chronicling of past "experiments" on the American populous. No source should be taken at face value and discounting a source without doing any further research is just as bad as believing in something blindly.


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    #4420827 - 07/18/05 10:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

POSTED BY US GROUND TROOPS:

"This clown was caught after firing several mortars at our base and attempting to flee the scene in his getaway hooptie. Check out the left leg, eventually got amputated prior to his transfer to the infamous ABU GHRAB"



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    #4420950 - 07/18/05 11:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Just to clarify, the above picture is a completely different incident, not at all related to the article I posted.


But, notice that the U.S. medics are treating his wounds and not cutting his head off.


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    #4423708 - 07/19/05 03:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Of course. What fun would the torture be if the guy couldn't scream?


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    #4425702 - 07/19/05 11:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

He can't scream?


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    #4427148 - 07/20/05 07:01 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I was replying to this specific quote:

"But, notice that the U.S. medics are treating his wounds and not cutting his head off."
That insurgent wouldn't be able to scream or give up info about his buddies if his head was gone.

The reason the insurgents in Iraq, who are simply defending their country, have no qualms about killing the invading soldiers is because they don't need any information from these soldiers.

However, the American troops, who some see as saviors when they keep their enemy alive, are only keeping these insurgents alive because they likely have information about other insurgents. It is pretty much a sure bet that after that guy was stabilized he was either physically tortured, or at least threatened with torture, so he would give up information.


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