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Re: Why use psychedelics for Spiritual Growth? [Re: Swami]
#4409184 - 07/15/05 07:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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As one who has swept around the Ashram for decades, I think the way of the Ashram and the way of the Mushroom are two different approaches. Those who advocate most persuasively for spiritual uses of mushrooms also recommend a daily meditation habit. Psilocybin has provided me with gentle but profound guidance at certain times in my life. Although I'm more familiar with traditional meditation and other spiritual practices, I believe that there can be benefit in combining the two approaches for those drawn to this kind of practice. I've seen many in Ashramas get trapped in their concepts of God/Self and develop false identities around their asceticism that hold them back spiritually. Mushrooms can change one's perspective pretty quickly, and any concept that doesn't hold up in the mushroom experience is probably better left behind anyway.
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Re: Why use psychedelics for Spiritual Growth? [Re: Psiloman]
#4409218 - 07/15/05 07:24 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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think thats what Swami is capitilising on and challenging : Self apointed messiahs that have mistaken abuse and voracious appetite for psychedelics for growth and...paranormality! ________________________________________________________
Maybe someone threw the baby out with the bathwater.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Why use psychedelics for Spiritual Growth? [Re: Icelander]
#4409264 - 07/15/05 07:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Maybe someone threw the baby out with the bathwater.
First time i hear that expression (non native speaker).What does it mean?
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Icelander
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Re: Why use psychedelics for Spiritual Growth? [Re: Psiloman]
#4409296 - 07/15/05 07:53 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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It means if the idea is a good one, you don't reject it just because some people abuse the idea, or don't understand it, and use it incorrectly.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (07/15/05 07:53 PM)
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Re: Why use psychedelics for Spiritual Growth? [Re: Icelander]
#4409345 - 07/15/05 08:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah ,i get it now thanks for the explanation!
The idea is indeed nice,and im all for using their psychotherapeutical potential and the spiritual growth potential they might equip one with.Still,it has to be reminded to many people that its not Panaceia, a cure-all.Taking lets say 5 grams dried cubensis can sure have a big impact on someone ,but by itself it wont do.It requires some input,some striving from the user's part that extends beyond the experience and in his/hers everyday life.
The sad truth is that sometimes the people that abuse the idea may negatively charge it (connotationally charge it that is,think of the word psychedelic what it means for masses) if they indeed happen to rise in numbers and then defflate quickly when they find out that simply "dropping acid once a week doesnt turn you into a guru of some short".
See,for me, psychedelics /entheogens are such interesting materials that you can never clarify enough how much care should be taken with their use and meanings extrapollated from the experience they provide one with!
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Re: Why use psychedelics for Spiritual Growth? [Re: Psiloman]
#4409384 - 07/15/05 08:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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See,for me, psychedelics /entheogens are such interesting materials that you can never clarify enough how much care should be taken with their use and meanings extrapollated from the experience they provide one with! ________________________________________________________
Jah, I'm like that too. That's just me though. I think people get what they need and what they are ready for, from whatever they do. I didn't used to believe this way. Actually psychedelics taught me that.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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