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Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice
    #4404645 - 07/14/05 06:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)




How can i get pins throughout the whole case, I have been growing for a while and I can never get the results I would like, such as an even pins set over the case. I have tried all different casing layers and substrates this one here is EQ on rye spawned to horse poo (not sure if it was aged but I dug it myself out of a farm) and cased with coir.

I really like this method as there is no BS with cutting of the straw but I was hoping to get a full set of pins.

Anyone?


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: nambi]
    #4404677 - 07/14/05 06:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You make the intial casing layer THICKER around the edges. That slows colonization around the edges. You can also patch around the edges, giving the center time to catch up. Once you have a fairly even showing of myc - initiate pinning.



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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: agar]
    #4404682 - 07/14/05 06:34 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

does the fact that you're using a translucent container with no barrier matter?


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: coda]
    #4404687 - 07/14/05 06:35 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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does the fact that you're using a translucent container with no barrier matter?




lol good point


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: myndreach]
    #4404693 - 07/14/05 06:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

maybe you should say it simpler for him cause them big words


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: myndreach]
    #4404716 - 07/14/05 06:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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does the fact that you're using a translucent container with no barrier matter?




lol good point






You can NEST any like container - with a aluminum foil lineing between the two - to hold out light.

Pins tend to form in the best micro climate. That area is along the edges of a tray, when the substrate pulls back - from the tray - a tiny bit.

If that edge side area doesnt get light, (as with nested trays), they tend to pin more evenly.


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: nambi]
    #4404923 - 07/14/05 07:36 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

maybe you better check yourself before you make smart ass comments.
The container is lined with foil and covered with layers of duck tape on the sides.


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: nambi]
    #4404961 - 07/14/05 07:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

1.) I was not making smart comments, i was making an observation. Plus it was a question, thats what the "?" was for. Ive never cased anything, but i do know that the bottom of your casing container should be covered.

2.) Your pics do not show the fact that you have them covered, as far as i can tell you have nothing covering the bottom.

3.) why be such an asshole when people are trying to help you, a simple "i covered the bottom with foil and tape" would have been a much better response then the one above.

Im not knocking your methods, i was just trying to help. I fail to see how anything ive said is a smart ass comments. Maybe you should check your attitude before attacking people trying to help you.


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: coda]
    #4404977 - 07/14/05 07:58 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Come on boys - this is all in good fun & suppose to be about helping one another. If not one of the mods - will make us all eat spent bulk substrate - sandwiches. :eek: :rolleyes: :grin:


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: coda]
    #4404978 - 07/14/05 07:58 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i think deathcompany was the one being a smart ass here.

but yeah those pictures are decieving i diesn't looked lined in those pix.

make sure you got the sides covered completely up and bottom, and be ontop of adding more casing to areas growing faster then others, i htink that would create a nice even pinning layer :smile:


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: thegaruda]
    #4404986 - 07/14/05 08:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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i think deathcompany was the one being a smart ass here.

but yeah those pictures are decieving i diesn't looked lined in those pix.

make sure you got the sides covered completely up and bottom, and be ontop of adding more casing to areas growing faster then others, i htink that would create a nice even pinning layer :smile:




LOL...dem big wurds :confused: :smirk:

True, the pic's don't look as if the trays are lined. That is why I mentioned nesting trays.


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: DeathCompany]
    #4405020 - 07/14/05 08:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

*edit* PM's instead


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: agar]
    #4405024 - 07/14/05 08:24 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the advice, believe me I'm grateful.
By the way I wasn't knocking you.

I'm going to try another batch in a foil dish next time and see how it goes. That way I can guarantee that no light will come in through the sides. Is there anything I can do now to fix this case now or is it too late? Would should pins in the center eventually develop?

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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: nambi]
    #4405044 - 07/14/05 08:31 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I know & no sweat.

Once you have pins, you might as well let them do their thing. Messing with them can cause aborts, contam's & BS.

Let them fruit. Middle may come in a bit later.

Second flush - harvest cleanly around the edges & make sure no MEAT is left there. Then, stuff sides with casing material & fruit again.


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: agar]
    #4405063 - 07/14/05 08:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

good luck on your grow! :smile:


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: coda]
    #4405631 - 07/14/05 10:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I have to differ a little bit with agar here about the two container nesting and adding more casing around the edges. After lining the inside of my 12-quart with foil like Scatmanrav does and laying the substrate right on the foil, I will never do anything different. The foil sticks hard to the mycelium and pulls in with it. That prevents the sides from pinning, it prevents the edges from growing any different than the rest, keeps moisture in, and blocks out light all in one. It's really nice.


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Re: Pinning Distribution PICS Please give advice [Re: Blue Helix]
    #4407385 - 07/15/05 12:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Its the exact same as agar does, I make the nexted trays...then take out the top one. I orginally did it because I was running low on tubs...the ones with only 1 tub and the foil did much better though then the nested trays with the foil between them. Agars got his perfect setup with the freezer with no humidity escaping, my casings need a bit more help with my not moisture tight closet...both work but I like to just use the bottom tray with the foil...

As to the original poster, definatly drying out and shrinking then light hits the sides...thats why I put the foil on the bottom, keeps the walls of the foil right against the substrate.

And besides that, people often dump all there substrate in a pile in the middle then spread it out to the sides, then do the same with the casing mix. All that piling in the middle, causes some compacting there, and fluffier on the edges. Its best after dumping the substrate to mix it all up and fluff it up, then lightly sprinkle the casing mix over the whole casing, instead of dumping in one area and spreading.


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