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InvisibleAnnapurna1
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"we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"...
    #4395763 - 07/12/05 02:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

this mantra is indellibly etched into the mind of every american..whether they choose to follow it or not...ill cut right to the chase ..it is a crass statement of intent to create inequality as an end to itself...what is typically the object of a "hunt"..anyway??...


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4395775 - 07/12/05 02:27 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Hard to hunt down the little pieces of the terrorist, after he blows himself to bits.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: niteowl]
    #4395782 - 07/12/05 02:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

> Hard to hunt down the little pieces of the terrorist, after he blows himself to bits.

Which is why Isreal goes after the home in which the terrorist lived.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4395803 - 07/12/05 02:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

We should never negotiate with terrorists. Neogotiating just gives them the mindset that by using violence they will get what they want.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Redstorm]
    #4395816 - 07/12/05 02:45 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Neogotiating just gives them the mindset that by using violence they will get what they want.




All they have to do is look at the US to form that attitude. We use violence all the time to get what we want.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Vex]
    #4395820 - 07/12/05 02:46 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I don't deny that, but to negotiate with terrorists would be chaos. There are so many conflicting terrorists groups, that by pleasing one, the same decision would lead to other groups being pissed.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Vex]
    #4395822 - 07/12/05 02:47 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Humans use violence to get what they want. Those fucking scum


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Redstorm]
    #4395824 - 07/12/05 02:47 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

.We should never negotiate with terrorists. Neogotiating just gives them the mindset that by using violence they will get what they want

For 30 years we didn't negotiate with the IRA. The violence got ever worse.

Then we negotiated with them. The violence ceased.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Redstorm]
    #4395832 - 07/12/05 02:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't deny that, but to negotiate with terrorists would be chaos. There are so many conflicting terrorists groups, that by pleasing one, the same decision would lead to other groups being pissed.




yeah it could cause more problems. plus it's not the same anyway. the US uses violence focused on total domination while the terrorists use violence focused on causing fear.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Vex]
    #4395859 - 07/12/05 03:06 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

We won't negotiate with them because......
they want us out of the Middle East......
and we aren't leaving.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: niteowl]
    #4396012 - 07/12/05 03:54 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, our oil-fueled Way Of Life(tm) requires us to be in the Middle East right now...


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: IsaacHunt]
    #4396088 - 07/12/05 04:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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.We should never negotiate with terrorists. Neogotiating just gives them the mindset that by using violence they will get what they want

For 30 years we didn't negotiate with the IRA. The violence got ever worse.

Then we negotiated with them. The violence ceased.




They only wanted political concessions. Militsnt Muslims want the destruction of Israel, all non-Muslims out of the Arabian peninsula, and land regained that was lost over 500 years ago (see: the Southern Iberian Peninsula). Even if we decided to negotiate with radical religious terrorist groups, there is no possible way we could grant the concessions they want.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Redstorm]
    #4396147 - 07/12/05 04:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Even if we decided to negotiate with radical religious terrorist groups, there is no possible way we could grant the concessions they want.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_gang


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: psilomonkey]
    #4396151 - 07/12/05 04:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Shit, the Jews were going to get their independent state regardless of whether or not hey used terrorism.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Redstorm]
    #4396418 - 07/12/05 05:45 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

They only wanted political concessions

No, they wanted the Brits out of Nothern Ireland. Just like the muslims want the US out of the middle east.

Militsnt Muslims want the destruction of Israel

Some do, some don't. We can talk all day about what the most extreme member of a group wants. I'm sure there are extreme members of the IRA who want a helluva lot more than what they got too. The point is if you please the vast bulk of normal people the terrorist support dries up and they die out.

there is no possible way we could grant the concessions they want.

It looks like Bush is planning to cut and run from Iraq by early 2006 anyway. There's a lot of scope for negotiating.


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: IsaacHunt]
    #4402560 - 07/14/05 08:18 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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It looks like Bush is planning to cut and run from Iraq by early 2006 anyway. There's a lot of scope for negotiating.




you couldnt tell from his recent speeches...but if thats true..then bush is no position to call kerry a "political opportunist"...

but to get back on topic (actually..to change it)..your responses (which i appreciate) have very much taken the titular mantra at face value...i will now pose the question as to whether ppl that dont do drugs view bushs' maxim as a broader social paradigm..rather than relating it specifically to proper terrorism...

for example..bushs' mantra could easily be construed as casting all human interactions as hierarchical and/or adversarial..where each individual begins to view the other not as an equal human to be negotiated with..but as an inferior animal to be "hunted down"...

do you agree or disagree?..and if so..can you site any examples (which dont have to be specific)...


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4402646 - 07/14/05 09:33 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

America's forefathers were terrorists, but it is different because it was about "us" and England was the evil superpower then...


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Swami]
    #4402674 - 07/14/05 10:01 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, America's forefathers weren't terrorists. They didn't deliberately target civilians.

Which reminds me, Swami, are you ever going to get around to providing us your definition of terrorism?



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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Phred]
    #4402726 - 07/14/05 10:25 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."

The Americans did NOT follow the accepted rules of engagement and the war started on an attack against property.

Of course, the word "terrorist" was not in vogue until centuries later.

No definition that I could find (except yours) includes the word "civilians". I guess we should all make up our own lexicography to make our points, eh?


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Re: "we dont negotiate with terrorists...we hunt them down"... [Re: Swami]
    #4402816 - 07/14/05 11:07 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

So by the definition you accept, there is no difference between say... the Iraqi uprising in 1991 intended to overthrow Hussein and the London bombings -- both are terrorism? Because of course in Iraq it was against Hussein's law to attempt to depose him by force. Treasonous, to be more concise.

By this definition the American Revolution was indeed "terrorism", because it was unlawful (by England's law) for the colonists to rebel against English rule.

The key word in your definition is "unlawful", with the UN (more accurately, whichever member of the UNSC casts a veto) being the sole arbiter of what is lawful in military action involving two or more member nations and what is not. The US intervention in Bosnia was therefore "terrorism". The coalition's resumption of hostilities in Iraq in March of 2003 is also "terrorism", because France decided it was unlawful.




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