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DoctorJ
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tribute to the nice guys
#4395419 - 07/12/05 10:13 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.
This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.
This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in Halo2 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.
The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.
So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.
(found this on myspace. had to share)
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
#4395442 - 07/12/05 10:27 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Nice guys" who hang around other guys girlfriend waiting for their chance to get laid while pretending to be the "nice guy" are the worst. They're just assholes without a spine. I think there are occasions of genuine nice guyness, but overall they're just looking to get laid one way or another, hence why nice guys always complain that they are nice guys.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
#4395444 - 07/12/05 10:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: WeAreAllOne]
#4395457 - 07/12/05 10:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The thing about nice guys are, I always start dating guys that I think are "nice guys" and by the end of it their jerks. So if there are nice guys that aren't going to pull a Dr. Jeckel/ Mr Hide on me, I'd love to meet them.
With that said, I've got to vouch for ALOT of the guys here, you guys are nice guys, actually, most of you are beyond nice to me and have helped me out in many a situation and have listened to me cry and bitch and whine, luckily no one has had to go shopping with me...and if there wasn't so so many miles between me and like every nice guy on here, then maybe I'd be dating one.
<3 you guys, thanks for always being the best!
-------------------- ~Earth is the Insane Asylum of the Universe~ A closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose.
Edited by Gillette (07/12/05 10:38 AM)
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Vvellum
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
#4395502 - 07/12/05 10:55 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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fuck that.
guys who are "overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated" and "manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned" bring it upon themselves. I have no sympathy. Quit whinning.
have a spine.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4395506 - 07/12/05 10:58 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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you must have read that! cause i didn't.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Jim]
#4395513 - 07/12/05 11:04 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Me neither.
Nice guys are cool, though, as long as they're not whiny little bitches. I would count myself as a nice guy.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Redstorm]
#4395531 - 07/12/05 11:12 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am polite...
-------------------- Use the Fucking Reply To Feature You Lazy Pieces of Shit! afoaf said: Jim, if you were in my city, I would let you fuck my wife.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
#4395534 - 07/12/05 11:13 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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great rant, man thanks for sharing!
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4395541 - 07/12/05 11:14 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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bi0 said: fuck that.
guys who are "overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated" and "manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned" bring it upon themselves. I have no sympathy. Quit whinning.
have a spine.
Some of us just prefer not to be assholes.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Redstorm]
#4395557 - 07/12/05 11:18 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm a nice guy 2 t3h exxxtreme
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Silversoul]
#4395563 - 07/12/05 11:20 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The nice guy will win in the end...
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4395572 - 07/12/05 11:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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bi0 said: fuck that.
guys who are "overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated" and "manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned" bring it upon themselves. I have no sympathy. Quit whinning.
have a spine.
Its funny, because I have this friend that is always telling me to 'be evil'...
I'm always like 'Dude, think about what you are saying and think about who you are saying it to...'
If I was evil, there would be a LOT of people at the bottom of the lake right now...
After all, I DO have friends in construction and waste management... fuhgetaboutit...
I know people who, you give them a 20 rock and ask them to break a nigga's leg, they'll ask you 'which one?'
shit, my good/evil control is a digital switch, not an analogue knob... maybe that's why I draw so many lines in the sand...
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Silversoul]
#4395576 - 07/12/05 11:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:
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bi0 said: fuck that.
guys who are "overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated" and "manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned" bring it upon themselves. I have no sympathy. Quit whinning.
have a spine.
Some of us just prefer not to be assholes.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4395610 - 07/12/05 11:35 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is true, they're the guys who actually believe that females are something special. *** If anyone actually puts up with the bullshit listed in that original post then it's their own damn fault.
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This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in Halo2 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor
Any guy who does something like that is a bitch.
*** SEXISM DISCLAIMER *** when I say "females", I'm referring to the bitches who are guilty of the aforementioned offenses (taking advantage of "nice guys") I'm not referring to all women because some women actually ARE worth more than a good fuck.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: mantis]
#4395646 - 07/12/05 11:48 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm a nice guy and I most usually finish Last where females are concerned. I have endured hours and hours of bitching about asshole guys to only find that they went right back to that asshole guy. I'll never understand it but I am glad that someone made a tribute to the few of us nice guys that are left .....
Gillette
There are nice guys here on the shroomery. I know a few of them on a personal level. I am not hitting on you or trying to pick you up. I am simply saying that the nice guy you are looking for may be closer than you think.
Much
JJ
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4395651 - 07/12/05 11:51 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: I'm a nice guy 2 t3h exxxtreme
YOu always seem to make me laugh Hella !!!
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: JettaJay]
#4395660 - 07/12/05 11:53 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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JettaJay said: I'm a nice guy and I most usually finish Last where females are concerned. I have endured hours and hours of bitching about asshole guys to only find that they went right back to that asshole guy. I'll never understand it but I am glad that someone made a tribute to the few of us nice guys that are left .....
I hate it but I can deff. relate to it . I bring it upon myself I guess....
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: JettaJay]
#4395733 - 07/12/05 12:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Call me Kill-a-Hoe.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
#4395738 - 07/12/05 12:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice guys are the ones trying to get laid... if they get in and a relationship starts, give it like a year and watch the jerk come out. oh and nice guys make nice punching bags for chicks to take advantage of. grow some balls and maybe you'll actually get honest reactions from women. you wont just be the person with a penis they seek attention from when the bf is being a dick
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4395739 - 07/12/05 12:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn! The Big House hardened your pink ass right up.
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I'm a nice guy, but I know a handful of chicks I could get with if I didn't have a gf. It's not necessarily true that nice guys will put up with bullshit.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Redstorm]
#4395813 - 07/12/05 12:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah but u put up with your chick cheating one u...i mean id call that some major bullshit
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StrandedVoyager
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Fuck the nice guys. They treat girls the way they feel they should be treated instead of the way girls actually want to be treated. I have no respect for "nice guys".
They're all a bunch of fucking assholes. You know why? 'Cause they don't have the guts to be what they wanna be. They need people like me. They need people like me so they can point their fucking fingers, and say 'that's the bad guy.' So, what does that make them? Nice? You're not nice; you just know how to hide. How to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth -- even when I lie. So say goodnight to the bad guy. You're never going to see a bad guy like me again.
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Edited by PhatWhitey420 (07/12/05 12:50 PM)
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mikl
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Maybe you've seen Scarface one too many times, but it's good to be yourself instead of letting yourself get run over time and time again to "impress" a woman. P.S. that doesn't impress them, they just keep using you. ...as was said before you don't have to put up with a bunch of crap to be a nice guy.
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Vvellum
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Silversoul]
#4395854 - 07/12/05 01:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Some of us just prefer not to be assholes.
I didnt realize having self-respect and not allowing some dumb ho to walk all over you is the same as being an "asshole"
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Vvellum
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: mantis]
#4395856 - 07/12/05 01:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is true, they're the guys who actually believe that females are something special. *** If anyone actually puts up with the bullshit listed in that original post then it's their own damn fault.
exactly.
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PhatWhitey420 said: They're all a bunch of fucking assholes. You know why? 'Cause they don't have the guts to be what they wanna be. They need people like me. They need people like me so they can point their fucking fingers, and say 'that's the bad guy.' So, what does that make them? Nice? You're not nice; you just know how to hide. How to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth -- even when I lie. So say goodnight to the bad guy. You're never going to see a bad guy like me again.
hahahahahahahahaha!!!
you don't know how many times I've walked out of a party in a druken stupor, rambling that same quote, dude. Thats my fucking favorite scene in that movie.
5 for you.
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Vvellum
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: JettaJay]
#4395878 - 07/12/05 01:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm a nice guy and I most usually finish Last where females are concerned. I have endured hours and hours of bitching about asshole guys to only find that they went right back to that asshole guy. I'll never understand it but I am glad that someone made a tribute to the few of us nice guys that are left .....
woman do not want a spine-less man. woman tend to be attracted to assholes because they are take-charge - alpha males, so to speak. be the "asshole" without being an asshole, get it?
sitting on your ass being mr. sensitive wont get you far. woman already have their girlfriends. they want something else.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4395883 - 07/12/05 01:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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If all the nice guys of the world went to a party with attractive women on ecstasy... they'd never complain or whine or bitch ever again...
Oh maybe it's just me... and if so, aren't I blessed
But yeah seriously that quote always bounces around in my head after a bad social night too
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4395888 - 07/12/05 01:17 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Exactly. Although they may lead you to believe otherwise, they want a man.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
#4395900 - 07/12/05 01:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said:
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PhatWhitey420 said: They're all a bunch of fucking assholes. You know why? 'Cause they don't have the guts to be what they wanna be. They need people like me. They need people like me so they can point their fucking fingers, and say 'that's the bad guy.' So, what does that make them? Nice? You're not nice; you just know how to hide. How to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth -- even when I lie. So say goodnight to the bad guy. You're never going to see a bad guy like me again.
hahahahahahahahaha!!!
you don't know how many times I've walked out of a party in a druken stupor, rambling that same quote, dude. Thats my fucking favorite scene in that movie.
5 for you.
Holy shit, I didn't even catch that reference until you said something-- and I read that entire post.
I need to chill out with the constant wake-and-baking
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4395925 - 07/12/05 01:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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bi0 said: fuck that.
guys who are "overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated" and "manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned" bring it upon themselves. I have no sympathy. Quit whinning.
have a spine.
its saddening yet funny to watching these guys get owned by these girls.The funny part is some of these guys just dont get it. they will bounce around from girl to girl until a completely dominant evil bitch claims them for life. ala saving silverman
Edited by mindcandy (07/12/05 01:43 PM)
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: buckwheat]
#4395933 - 07/12/05 01:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it a mental defect? A personality defect? A over-protective mother? Or do these guys actually think that's what works?
Nice guys are some brilliant comic relief in social settings though. Many a times I've been a in a drunk bad mood at a party and watching one of these nice guys get shot down or get yelled at is fucking hilarious. The best part is hooking up with the same girl right afterwards. It's good to be on top of the evolutionary ladder in every sense and in every setting.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Silversoul]
#4395961 - 07/12/05 01:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:
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bi0 said: fuck that.
guys who are "overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated" and "manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned" bring it upon themselves. I have no sympathy. Quit whinning.
have a spine.
Some of us just prefer not to be assholes.
What he said... I just wanna know why my wife can be such a biatch and expect me to just take it! But when I wanna be an ass hole she don't just have to take it!
Oh well 15 years of being together and three wonderful kids I Reilly don't have a bunch to bitch about.
My kids say I'm cool. My wife says I smoke too much pot!
I say its my reason to keep from being like one of them guys on the news!
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Gillette]
#4395991 - 07/12/05 01:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gillette said: The thing about nice guys are, I always start dating guys that I think are "nice guys" and by the end of it their jerks. So if there are nice guys that aren't going to pull a Dr. Jeckel/ Mr Hide on me, I'd love to meet them.
I tend to go overboard and try to explain ALL my little quirks to a girl when we first start dating (that way she can't be surprised later on, right?).
Doesn't seem to work
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: trendal]
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I can see how that would scare girls away - I once dated a girl who did that - she just unloaded on me right off the bat. I lost interest rather fast. Too much, too quick.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4396034 - 07/12/05 02:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have resigned myself to a life of bachelorhood while I continue my search for a girl I'm fully compatible with.
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Is it a mental defect? A personality defect? A over-protective mother? Or do these guys actually think that's what works?
I think these guys think it works - they assume that being mr sensitive is the key to a womans heart. It isnt - it a key to being their friend.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4396060 - 07/12/05 02:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I won't pretend to understand anything about the multitude of keys on the keychain to a woman's heart
I consider myself a "nice guy" simply because I detest, and will not play, any of the games I see all too many couples play with eachother.
I also tend to have a hard time finding females who also detest and do not play these games. I don't like being honest to someone only to have them toy with my mind
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: trendal]
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well good luck to you on your eternal quest.
I find that everyone has problems and has some anxiety especially when entering into a relationship - most people play games whether they realize it or not. Little games, big games, and every degree in between.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said: most people play games whether they realize it or not. Little games, big games, and every degree in between.
BATTLESHIP!!!
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: TheDude]
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I prefer video games
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
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woman do not want a spine-less man. woman tend to be attracted to assholes because they are take-charge - alpha males, so to speak. be the "asshole" without being an asshole, get it?
sitting on your ass being mr. sensitive wont get you far. woman already have their girlfriends. they want something else.
I guess it depends on how you define the word 'spine'
men who walk around hitting on everything that has a pulse are slaves to their own biology, IMO. They think they are such hot shit until they end up with STD's, unwanted pregnancies, and no friends because they end up getting a reputation for being complete assholes.
it takes true inner strength to be a nice guy... a strength that most will never understand. The same strength of the man who stood in front of that tank in Tianemen square... The same strength Jesus had when they nailed him to the cross and he asked God to forgive them for it... The same strength of the rich guy that gives to charity anonymously... You can denounce nice guys if you want, but never forget that you walk down a road that is paved with their sacrifices.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
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it takes true inner strength to be a nice guy... a strength that most will never understand. The same strength of the man who stood in front of that tank in Tianemen square... The same strength Jesus had when they nailed him to the cross and he asked God to forgive them for it... The same strength of the rich guy that gives to charity anonymously... You can denounce nice guys if you want, but never forget that you walk down a road that is paved with their sacrifices.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: trendal]
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trendal said: it takes true inner strength to be a nice guy... a strength that most will never understand. The same strength of the man who stood in front of that tank in Tianemen square... The same strength Jesus had when they nailed him to the cross and he asked God to forgive them for it... The same strength of the rich guy that gives to charity anonymously... You can denounce nice guys if you want, but never forget that you walk down a road that is paved with their sacrifices.
5 shrooms to that comment! hehe so true
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: trendal]
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trendal said: it takes true inner strength to be a nice guy... a strength that most will never understand. The same strength of the man who stood in front of that tank in Tianemen square... The same strength Jesus had when they nailed him to the cross and he asked God to forgive them for it... The same strength of the rich guy that gives to charity anonymously... You can denounce nice guys if you want, but never forget that you walk down a road that is paved with their sacrifices.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
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bi0 said: shit, my good/evil control is a digital switch, not an analogue knob... maybe that's why I draw so many lines in the sand...
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Todcasil]
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assholes think its so funny to hate on nice guys... Then some shit like Columbine happens... you really don't want to be around a 'nice guy' when he finally snaps. Vengance comes like fire.
and in the end, everyone sues Marilyn Manson.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
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I wish I had those attributes. Maybe then would I get more play and be more of an all round nice person.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
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men who walk around hitting on everything that has a pulse are slaves to their own biology, IMO. They think they are such hot shit until they end up with STD's, unwanted pregnancies, and no friends because they end up getting a reputation for being complete assholes.
who said anything about being a slut? I didnt.
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it takes true inner strength to be a nice guy... a strength that most will never understand. The same strength of the man who stood in front of that tank in Tianemen square... The same strength Jesus had when they nailed him to the cross and he asked God to forgive them for it... The same strength of the rich guy that gives to charity anonymously... You can denounce nice guys if you want, but never forget that you walk down a road that is paved with their sacrifices.
I guess you can grandstand and proclaim that letting a girl walk all over is the same as being a protester in Tianemen Square (whatever)...I think it's just a lack of self-respect and an example of being carried away by delusion.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Todcasil]
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is this not a discussion board? should we not put forth opinions and observations? should we not call out bullshit?
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
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woman do not want a spine-less man. woman tend to be attracted to assholes because they are take-charge - alpha males, so to speak. be the "asshole" without being an asshole, get it?
sitting on your ass being mr. sensitive wont get you far. woman already have their girlfriends. they want something else.
I guess it depends on how you define the word 'spine'
men who walk around hitting on everything that has a pulse are slaves to their own biology, IMO. They think they are such hot shit until they end up with STD's, unwanted pregnancies, and no friends because they end up getting a reputation for being complete assholes.
it takes true inner strength to be a nice guy... a strength that most will never understand. The same strength of the man who stood in front of that tank in Tianemen square... The same strength Jesus had when they nailed him to the cross and he asked God to forgive them for it... The same strength of the rich guy that gives to charity anonymously... You can denounce nice guys if you want, but never forget that you walk down a road that is paved with their sacrifices.
Amen, brother. If I could give you another 5 shrooms I would.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Silversoul]
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ask a [real life girl] why they dont date "nice guys" and you'll see how being a nice guy isnt some brave act like standing in front of a communist tank.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
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I have asked girls that question. I usually get the same answer Gillette gave.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
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i think you're totally misunderstanding our notion of the nice guy... i consider myself a nice guy... i am understanding, open-minded, honest, sensitive, loving and caring... all the things girls proclaim they want in a man... i treat girls right, and above all i respect them... but i NEVER would allow a girl to walk over me and manipulate me... i have too high a level of self-love and self-respect to allow any human being to manipulate me and do what they want with me... i am nevertheless a nice guy... and it's hard when all you ever hear is girls wanting someone like you and then walking off with the asshole that doesn't even listen to what they have to say... that's the inner strength doctorJ is talking about...
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: In(di)go]
#4396955 - 07/12/05 05:50 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mistaking kindness for weakness is a common misconception among humans.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: trendal]
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trendal said: Mistaking kindness for weakness is a common misconception among humans.
sad but true... in fact that just rang so true i'm gonna take it as a quote for my sig for a while... may i?
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: In(di)go]
#4397035 - 07/12/05 06:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah go for it
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: trendal]
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
#4397079 - 07/12/05 06:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very good thought provoking post and awesome replies. Enjoyed reading through this. No comments from this way, still debating on it.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: In(di)go]
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well, following what the essay that doctorj posted, a "nice guy" to me seems like someone who isnt honest about their feelings, is afraid to make a move...someone who attempts to get close to a girl by way of friendship but then becomes resentful when all they become is just another friend. A "nice guy" from the essay seems like someone who'd just wait and wait and wait for a girl's attention, but then blame the girl when they dont notice them. It is fake when a "nice guy" claims he is just being kind and friendly when in fact his ulterior motive is trying to get a girlfriend - his kindness and friendliness are conditional and often these conditions are not met. No wonder why girls always complain about "nice guys" becoming obsessive, co-dependent, and jekyl/hyde.
I have said nothing about being unkind or uncaring as a way of attracting the opposite sex - I am simply saying that woman are turned off by the misdirection and self-loathing and lack of assertiveness and confidence on the part of the "nice guy".
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
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i know a lot of that essay can be interpreted that way... and i understand your point of view...
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said: his kindness and friendliness are conditional and often these conditions are not met. No wonder why girls always complain about "nice guys" becoming obsessive, co-dependent, and jekyl/hyde.
That's true for some nice guys (probably true for whomever wrote the essay) but it's not the case for us all.
Some of us just enjoy being nice for the sake of it, or because there's not enough of it out there. I can be an asshole if I want to, i must make a choice not to.
The guy who is dependant on the woman for validation when he's not even in a relationshiop has issues to be dealt with before he gets into one. The guy who WANTS to be there for his female (and male) friends because they are friends and not just targets for affection, have the right to be called genuinely "nice".
I'm drunk, so hopefully that all makes sense./
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
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I guess you can grandstand and proclaim that letting a girl walk all over is the same as being a protester in Tianemen Square (whatever)...I think it's just a lack of self-respect and an example of being carried away by delusion.
Being a nice guy does not necessarily mean you let women (and people in general) walk all over you. Perhaps that's the way you perceive it, but it's not true....
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Le_Canard]
#4397543 - 07/12/05 08:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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yea thats just being passive
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It is, but to be fair, some people do think that they can use a nice guy as their doormat. But it's pretty easy to detect that and you just have to put your foot down....
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said: It is, but to be fair, some people do think that they can use a nice guy as their doormat. But it's pretty easy to detect that and you just have to put your foot down....
or give them the finger and walk away
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: In(di)go]
#4397600 - 07/12/05 08:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yep. Some people are just too dense to take a hint.....
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said: well, following what the essay that doctorj posted, a "nice guy" to me seems like someone who isnt honest about their feelings, is afraid to make a move...someone who attempts to get close to a girl by way of friendship but then becomes resentful when all they become is just another friend. A "nice guy" from the essay seems like someone who'd just wait and wait and wait for a girl's attention, but then blame the girl when they dont notice them. It is fake when a "nice guy" claims he is just being kind and friendly when in fact his ulterior motive is trying to get a girlfriend - his kindness and friendliness are conditional and often these conditions are not met. No wonder why girls always complain about "nice guys" becoming obsessive, co-dependent, and jekyl/hyde.
I have said nothing about being unkind or uncaring as a way of attracting the opposite sex - I am simply saying that woman are turned off by the misdirection and self-loathing and lack of assertiveness and confidence on the part of the "nice guy".
my whole point is simply this:
if women want to be equal, then why can't they make a move once in awhile? I've heard a lot of girls complain about being tired of spineless men. Well guess what? I'm tired of spineless women. I'm tired of women who expect men to be mind readers. After all, females are supposed to be the more intuitive sex, right? So why don't they fucking use it? Honestly, I know women well enough to know that they know when a man wants them. But they play these stupid fucking games where they make you go all out because it feeds their ego. And I personally don't play that shit. And that's MY stand. I'm nice to the point of being an asshole. Many women have asked me why I don't make a move. My response: 'You ain't worth it sweetheart.' Basically, I enjoy giving girls a taste of their own medicine. And their response is usually to go after the first guy that hits on them in my prescence, which is basically their way of saying 'see, this is what it takes to get with me.' Naw, really? Gee that makes you exactly like every other girl I've met. At that point I become intensely uninterested.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: blink]
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That's true for some nice guys (probably true for whomever wrote the essay) but it's not the case for us all.
Some of us just enjoy being nice for the sake of it, or because there's not enough of it out there. I can be an asshole if I want to, i must make a choice not to.
The guy who is dependant on the woman for validation when he's not even in a relationshiop has issues to be dealt with before he gets into one. The guy who WANTS to be there for his female (and male) friends because they are friends and not just targets for affection, have the right to be called genuinely "nice".
right, then you're not a "nice guy" as described in the essay and as defined in common definition of "nice guy" - you're the nice guy without the quotations. you're a kind and honest dude. Of course, I have no problem with this.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Le_Canard]
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Being a nice guy does not necessarily mean you let women (and people in general) walk all over you. Perhaps that's the way you perceive it, but it's not true....
did you read the essay? If that is not being walked over and a lack of self-respect, then I dont know what is.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
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yeah, that being said though, once you get me in a relationship, I have no objections to being sensitive, giving backrubs, listening, etc etc etc... I just don't generally tend to give any human being (man or woman) my respect unless they've earned it. Problem is, most guys instantly respect a chick simply because she has a vagina. It takes a little more than that for me.
I dunno- I live in Dallas, which is a very two-dimensional city where men are judged by their appearance and their bank accounts. It can really get on my nerves sometimes, being a moderately endowed man who enjoys simple pleasures and doesn't tend to get wrapped up in the whole 'nice car, expensive lifestyle' kind of thing...
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
#4397784 - 07/12/05 09:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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my whole point is simply this:
if women want to be equal, then why can't they make a move once in awhile? I've heard a lot of girls complain about being tired of spineless men. Well guess what? I'm tired of spineless women. I'm tired of women who expect men to be mind readers. After all, females are supposed to be the more intuitive sex, right? So why don't they fucking use it? Honestly, I know women well enough to know that they know when a man wants them. But they play these stupid fucking games where they make you go all out because it feeds their ego. And I personally don't play that shit. And that's MY stand. I'm nice to the point of being an asshole. Many women have asked me why I don't make a move. My response: 'You ain't worth it sweetheart.' Basically, I enjoy giving girls a taste of their own medicine. And their response is usually to go after the first guy that hits on them in my prescence, which is basically their way of saying 'see, this is what it takes to get with me.' Naw, really? Gee that makes you exactly like every other girl I've met. At that point I become intensely uninterested.
I think woman should make the moves as well. Some do - but most dont - I think it is bullshit. Why dont they? They are crazy just like men and just as tainted by culture as everyone else.
I am not sure if we necessarily play games to feed and stroke ego - I think its more of a test of one's interest and a manifestation of anxiety. Relationships are fucking scary. I think everyone plays games - your game is avoiding the first move to as a litmus test to see what female is relationship-worthy for you.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: DoctorJ]
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yeah, that being said though, once you get me in a relationship, I have no objections to being sensitive, giving backrubs, listening, etc etc etc... I just don't generally tend to give any human being (man or woman) my respect unless they've earned it. Problem is, most guys instantly respect a chick simply because she has a vagina. It takes a little more than that for me.
I think we're on the same page. I just cringe at the thought of "nice guys" who leap to do these nice things for some chick who doesnt have much interest in them...and then get all hostile and self-righteous when the chick doesnt want to move forward.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: trendal]
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trendal said: I have resigned myself to a life of bachelorhood while I continue my search for a girl I'm fully compatible with.
I take that back. I just met the girl of my dreams.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Spooge]
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great post, man!
"I don't deserve you"
ohhhh that's a classic... i've heard that one a few times... and i can't help thinking "so what are you going to do about it? try to improve yourself so you deserve me? or run away because you are afraid of being a good person who deserves to be treated right?" man!
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: In(di)go]
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In(di)go said: great post, man!
"I don't deserve you"
ohhhh that's a classic... i've heard that one a few times... and i can't help thinking "so what are you going to do about it? try to improve yourself so you deserve me? or run away because you are afraid of being a good person who deserves to be treated right?" man!
That's basically why my ex-girlfriend left me. She had big self-esteem problems, and felt I was too good for her.
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Vvellum
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Silversoul]
#4399442 - 07/13/05 11:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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she felt too overwhelmed and/or smothered. thats what "I dont deserve you" means.
guys, sometimes you gotta chill out disappear for a few days (do your own thing) not call chill with other girls
otherwise chicks get spooked. thats what "nice guys" dont get.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4399450 - 07/13/05 11:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I gave her her space(I had to, considering we had a long-distance relationship). I'm dead serious when I say she had major self-esteem issues. She used to cut herself. She's been in a fucked up space in her head for a while. When she said she didn't deserve me, that's pretty much what she meant. She wanted to be hurt, because that's the only feeling she really knows.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Silversoul]
#4399484 - 07/13/05 11:41 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it is strangely interesting that in order to be attractive to the opposite sex and respected by your own you have to hurt other people. If some dude attacks you you aren't a real man unless you kick his ass. If you do nice things for people they just make you do it alot and don't reward you in any way for your time and effort. And with women unless you treat them like crap you are weak or undesirable.
I start to second guess myself, society as a whole seems to conclude that unless you abuse others are violent or aggressive in asserting yourself you deserve to be abused. The nicer you are the worse people treat you, and I'm not talking nice in the insecure, needy, no self-esteem way. Just being altruistic or easygoing makes you a target for people who think you are weak.
Not everybody is nice to others because they are trying to get something with it. This is just how I am, and acting any other way seems contrived and unatural. I don't give a fuck about how I am supposed to be, but it does suck to get rejected, falsely arrested, beat up, identity stolen, your security deposit not payed back, and being used for rides to the airport. I wish people would just respect me for being how I want to be. It doesn't mean I am servile or weak. I think being spineless is giving into to the delusional ego centered view that to be a real man you have to hurt, manipulate and abuse other people. I see nothing respectable about people with no self control, who get angry easily and hurt others, who's only interest is their own basest self interest. To me that is degenrate.
Sometimes I wonder if have been wrong for not being being a forceful person, because maybe being peaceful and kind actually makes the world a worse place than agressively confronting people, because then the assholes think they can get away with whatever they want. Maybe I'm just misguided and nieve. But then again, I would never want to be one of them, or help reinforce their negative cultural models.
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4399493 - 07/13/05 11:43 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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guys, sometimes you gotta chill out disappear for a few days (do your own thing) not call chill with other girls
My problem is exactly the opposite.
I tend to forget about anything that's not sitting directly in front of me...so I may be guilty of some neglect
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Vvellum]
#4400267 - 07/13/05 03:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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myndreach
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Spooge]
#4400381 - 07/13/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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my favorite is girld that say, "man he's such an asshole...where are all the nice guys?"
In high school, when hearing that, I would always want to scream, "AT HOME ALONE SPANKING THEIR MONKEY WONDERING WHY YOU ARE STILL DATING A FUCKING ASSHOLE INSTEAD OF THEM!"
Ahem...wow that was cathartic...I spent 3 years as a friend to a girl who always complained about her asshole boyfriend who hit her and then eventually knocked her up before dumping her ass. I REALLY was just a friend, but sometimes it got pretty annoying listening to her complain about him, when I was right there, willing to be with her.
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The_Hobbit
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Re: tribute to the nice guys [Re: Spooge]
#4400710 - 07/13/05 04:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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entityexperiment said: I'll leave with an EXACT quote from the most recent women I've started hanging out with...
"You are SO nice. Honestly, it's weird. So nice and I love it. I was talking with my brother and his friends and we were talking about you. My brother said, 'yea nick's a really good guy. so different'. I said, 'yea he is, isn't he so incredibly nice?'. You seem to good to be true nick. I think it was fate that I met such a nice good guy like you. I need to be with someone like you"
3 days later, I'm still her friend and yea, she adores me to pieces. But we've already had the discussion where she said she wants to be friends...best friends
I think the key to winning a woman's heart is to stimulate emotion. Asshole guys do this all the time because they don't care about the woman they're with. They don't care if they make the woman angry and mad. The woman is the man's bitch. That's how she likes it, even if she doesn't know it. She likes to be on an emotional roller coaster, going from love to hate, up and down. It's fun. It's drama. It's what many women want.
The hard thing about being a nice guy is that you have to be genuine. You have to be spontaneous, fun, exciting, romantic, everything and anything creative to keep things vital. This takes charisma, intellegence, ingenuity, and all the other admirable traits that you can think of.
Isn't it so much easier to be an asshole? =)
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