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on thinking
    #4395238 - 07/12/05 10:35 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

thought and spirituality

i've thought for long times about what is good,bad,necessary,unnecessary, etc.
an entanglement
as far as i can tell, it is the alleviation of thoughts that have benifited me

when i engage an idea i tend to approach it as if there is a right or wrong way. this i can not know, and i suffer for it--i feel a void between my mind and body.

i get the most fulfillment out of coming to the table with no thought in mind, no expectations.

just thinking at all about what to do in a situation seems like such an awful clumbsy act.

all seems like a futile attempt to stabalize position in an ever-changing scenery.

life will pull my body wherever it wants to, i would hope my mind could be dynamic enough to follow

what do you think?


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Re: on thinking [Re: Grav]
    #4395251 - 07/12/05 10:41 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

when you generate a word free thought sequence, you benefit - flowing in the river without an immediate cascade of mental verbage at every turn.

the word free mental dance is also thought - just intentionally nonverbal - seeking some variety like this keeps things balanced.


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Re: on thinking [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4395272 - 07/12/05 10:50 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i experience an urge to label the process... with words so that it may be repeated? (summoned up like a magical spell?)


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Re: on thinking [Re: Grav]
    #4395281 - 07/12/05 10:55 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Grav said:
thought and spirituality

as far as i can tell, it is the alleviation of thoughts that have benifited me

  :wink:

what do you think?






DUDE, :rofl:


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Re: on thinking [Re: Icelander]
    #4395296 - 07/12/05 11:06 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

caught that, eh? :smile:


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Re: on thinking [Re: Grav]
    #4396479 - 07/12/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

without thoughts, what would be your purpose here? you would place yourself in the position of not being able to add to the tome that is all of mankinds collective knowledge, for you would not think anything. I understand it may bring a sense of inner-calm that is desireable, but you word yourself so that you sound like you would prefer not to be involved in thinking at all which is a strange propostion.
Perhaps you meant something more along the lines of not thinking in absolutes or in terms of any universal truths regarding good/evil, dualism/holism, all that fun stuff. That viewpoint I can certainly understand and its a fairly well established ideology(Taoism) but rejecting thought as a whole seems a bit excessive.


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Re: on thinking [Re: futant462]
    #4396655 - 07/12/05 06:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

thought is a realm of activity like speech and like physical action.
move there and dance there and rest there to suit your needs.

learn that association of like to like is its nature.
learn that repetition creates stronger linkages.
otherwise there are times to be quiet
and times to apply investigation
etc.

like:
when hungry eat,
when tired sleep, etc.


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Re: on thinking [Re: Grav]
    #4397521 - 07/12/05 10:18 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

yeah! with no expectations, it's like you get more surface area for experience to fall on


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Re: on thinking [Re: futant462]
    #4397998 - 07/13/05 12:51 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

you misunderstand me, futant

i bow to the beauty of our complex minds and what they are capable of, but i want to recognize the associated pitfalls around me like any cautious animal would


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Re: on thinking [Re: Grav]
    #4399089 - 07/13/05 10:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"If you have big expectations you're gonna be let down. You can't have any expectations, you know. You stay on the borderline and then you move when the space unfolds." Bob Dylan


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Re: on thinking [Re: Grav]
    #4402605 - 07/14/05 08:57 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

on a lightly different note
maybe closer to your yearning
a silent part of us
a part which is the same when we are in ecstacy or self critical disgust,
this is the part that has no form, (from before birth and after the grave)

this is the friend with which you want to spend more time glancing


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