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Mushrooms + MAOI
    #4395008 - 07/12/05 06:28 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Hallo from Germany,

I came to this forum to seek answers on questions I couldn't find on many different internet pages and in german drug forums. After many mushroom trips, I would like to make a "shroomhuasca" experience. My questions involved with that are:

1) What to expect? I am quiet used to taking 4-5g home grown shrooms, and know how 7g are like. Now I was advised to take 2g and told that the trip would me more intense than any trip before. Is this true? Can anybody provide more details on that, especially on how the trip will "feel" like?

2) To avoid the side effects of natural MAOI such as peganum harmala, I decided to use moclobemide. How much mg do I have to take to enjoy the full MAOI effects?

3) How long should I keep up a MAOI-diet before and after the taking of moclobemide?

4) Ususally I keep benzodiazepines ready in case I feel like stopping the trip. I never used them so far. Would this emergency break be an option in the planned trip? In a FAQ I read Benzos + MAOI are not particularly dangerous, but taking "less" is advised. So how much is less? My normal "stopping" dose would be 2mg Flunitrazepam.

I would greatly appreciate any advise!


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Re: Mushrooms + MAOI [Re: Outsider] * 1
    #4395265 - 07/12/05 10:46 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Uhhhh... What? :beavis: :butthead:


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Re: Mushrooms + MAOI [Re: Outsider]
    #4395388 - 07/12/05 12:01 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Hello Outsider... I am glad to see that you are researching your drugs well before using them. I hope this helps you somewhat.


1) As for Mushroom + MAOI experiences, there are several on Erowid:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=35242
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=26731
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=7427
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=14234
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=26658 (with cannabis and nitrous)
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=244

I would definitely keep your dose low until you know how you react to psychedelics + an MAOI. I would say 2 grams or less, as you don't know how you will react, and are not exactly sure how strong the MAOI's effect will be on the trip (see below).


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Azarius Encyclopedia says:
According to anecdotal reports one gram (corresponding to approx. 30 mg of harmine/harmaline) of P. harmala seeds ingested inhibits MAO enough to make DMT orally active, while 75 mg of moclobemide is sufficient for the same purpose.

http://www.azarius.net/encyclopedia.php?encyclopediaid=18





That's the only reference I found, and it's referencing DMT, not mushrooms. :shrug: Still, if it's making DMT orally active, I'd say it's obviously having a full MAOI effect, and is significantly less than the antidepressant dose of moclobemide (typically 300 mg). Like I said earlier, it's better to start low and work your way up than have a terrifying and negative experience.

Here's someone who had a terrible experience with 175 mg moclobemide and 5g of cubensis.
http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=5525

3) Stay on an MAOI diet at least 12-24 hours before and after taking the MAOI. Moclobemide is a reversible MAOI, and thus apparently short-acting, but still, it's better safe than sorry (or dead).


4) I do not know.... hopefully someone else can help you here. I do not know of any contraindications for taking benzos with an MAOI.


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Re: Mushrooms + MAOI [Re: TinTree]
    #4397656 - 07/12/05 10:52 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Keep in mind that moclobemide will have barely any effects on its own, before the mushrooms or DMT kicks in.

Something like harmaline will make you trip on its own, and give a whole different feeling to the trip.


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Re: Mushrooms + MAOI [Re: bluedolphin]
    #4398714 - 07/13/05 04:45 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

@bluedolphin: So would you rather recommend harmaline? I heard very bad things about its effects on digestion...

@TinTree: Thanks for all the links. The TR are not too enthusiastic, so am not sure whether this is an awarding experience.

I know psychedelic things are difficult to explain, put can anybody pin the differences between Mushroom trips and Mushroom + MAOi trips?


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Re: Mushrooms + MAOI [Re: Outsider]
    #4402429 - 07/14/05 05:22 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Rumor on the street is that cranberry juice has a natural MAOI that will kick up the trip.


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Re: Mushrooms + MAOI [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4407494 - 07/15/05 01:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The cranberry thing is definitely an urban legend.


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