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InvisibleSilversoul
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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: afoaf]
    #4400754 - 07/13/05 05:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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afoaf said:
inglewood, CA is nearly all black and is pretty nice.

my wife likes the cheap shopping.



Indeed. I've also seen some pretty nice areas in Oakland.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: Silversoul]
    #4400768 - 07/13/05 05:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Never been, so I have no idea if you all are serious, but if so...
What do you think are the factors that allow these neighborhoods to be better off than most? Higher rate of police patrol? Black owned and operated business keeping money in the community? Religion?


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: daimyo]
    #4400793 - 07/13/05 05:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I think it has to do with black-owned businesses. In the ghetto, there's this sense that if you get ahead and succeed in life that you're "acting white." But if there's successful black businesses all around you, then that perception is severely weakened.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: daimyo]
    #4400844 - 07/13/05 05:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

what do you mean:

'the factors that allow these neighborhoods to be better off than most'?

what is 'most'?

and why wouldn't there be nice black neighborhoods?

do you think that blacks aren't inherently able to exist
in a civilized manner...that they require external 'factors'
to support this unnatural existence?


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: Krishna]
    #4401780 - 07/13/05 10:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

hmm i haven't noticed that in towns i've lived in. usually all the 'poor' areas of town are quite the same - albeit usually quite racially segregated (a white ghetto, a black ghetto, a mexican ghetto, etc).

There are two Ross discount stores nearby, each about 4 miles away from me. One is in a minority neighborhood though it is not shabby. Every time I have gone into that store there are clothes and shoes all over the floor. It is like the shoppers have zero pride or any sense of neatness or order. The place is a total sty whereas the other store is a pleasant place to shop. This is all about upbringing and attitude. It is a sorry reflection of poor values.


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Invisibleniteowl
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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4401814 - 07/13/05 10:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Anisotropic said:
This thread is just raciest.




You obviously don't know what that term means.

Discussing racial issues does not make one a "racist"

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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: niteowl]
    #4402144 - 07/14/05 12:57 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I lived in a ghetto in baltimore with mostly black people. there were many helicopters and crack vials to be found.

oh yea.. what's this debate about again?

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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: afoaf]
    #4403002 - 07/14/05 10:01 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
what do you mean:

'the factors that allow these neighborhoods to be better off than most'?



I gave a few in the post you are quoting. If you read it again you should find them.

Quote:

afoaf said:
what is 'most'?



Superlative of many.

Quote:

afoaf said:
and why wouldn't there be nice black neighborhoods?



Never said there wouldn't be. That is why I started this thread. To find out if anybody knows of any. And if they do, what factors they feel contribute to it.

Quote:

afoaf said:
do you think that blacks aren't inherently able to exist
in a civilized manner...that they require external 'factors'
to support this unnatural existence?



No.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: Swami]
    #4403053 - 07/14/05 10:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

> This is the effect of culture and race and not poverty.

Culture yes, race no. People are people regardless of color. People's values are set by their culture, not by their skin color. It is unfortunate that it is so easy to stereotype a race to a culture.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: Swami]
    #4404936 - 07/14/05 05:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I think using a Ross as a window into an entire culture's "poor values" doesn't pass the anthropological sniff test, especially considering it is clearly the fact that Ross is a crappy place to work and the employees don't give a damn about all of the Hanes on the floor because they're too busy not commiting suicide.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: daimyo]
    #4406142 - 07/14/05 11:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

why make it a question of the factors that lead to good 'black' neighborhoods?

if it's not about the uniqueness of blacks and the fact that you don't think
that *most* black neighborhoods aren't good, then why even qualify it
in the title?

what are the factors that lead to good neighboorhoods in general?

why wouldn't they be the same across neighborhoods regardless
of race?

this seems to be either subconscious bias or thinly veiled racism...


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: gluke bastid]
    #4406315 - 07/14/05 11:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I think using a Ross as a window into an entire culture's "poor values" doesn't pass the anthropological sniff test

I wasn't publishing a thesis in an anthropological journal, merely making an observation.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: daimyo]
    #4406336 - 07/14/05 11:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Haven't had a chance to read all the replies, but I think what happens is people pick out the "bad" neighborhoods and blame it on some ethnic group or another. There are some fucked up, inbred hickass rural places with mostly white people too, but it's not because they're white. If you're looking for a common factor look towards the average earned income (if any).


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: unbeliever]
    #4406408 - 07/15/05 12:14 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Read my first post. Income was not the deciding factor.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: Swami]
    #4407194 - 07/15/05 08:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Well, so far, I have to agree with Swami that values are one of the biggest defining factors. Before one of you tree huggers says something moronic like "you think blacks can't have values", let me just say this..STFU.

So if poor values contribute to a poor neighborhood, then why are values lacking so greatly in these neighborhoods? Upbringing? A rebellion against white society? The ignorance istilled in America through reality programming and MTV?

And as for income, I again have to agree with Swami. There is still a low income Italian neighborhood here, and it is well kept. But if you go to this neighborhood and talk to the people you will not find many on welfare or any other government programs. They are low income, but they work for it.
If income plays any role in the quality of a lower class neighborhood, I believe it is the source of the income. When the government is handing stuff out for free it creates a class of loafers. Why work if you don't have to right? And a lot of values are not learned when you don't have to get up everyday at 6 and bust your ass to get by.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: daimyo]
    #4407321 - 07/15/05 09:32 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

We should not underestimate the pernicious effects of the welfare state on the social structure of the family (nuclear and extended). I remember reading some years ago an article by a black author (I believe it was Walter Williams), who wrote about how Harlem used to be (much less crime, intact families, no fear of walking down the street at night) before the welfare state ate away at the social forces of family and community. By attempting to help people, the well intentioned actions have relieved people of responsibility, in essence subsidizing the very behaviors that can lead one into poverty and into being an absentee parent and to keep him on the same path. Many of the very same people who promote these policies vociferously rail against the institutions of church, marriage and private charities which provide much needed countervailing forces and help in a vast number of people's lives.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: Swami]
    #4407391 - 07/15/05 10:18 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Read my first post. Income was not the deciding factor.




Meh I was just home after a long hot day of car audio and substance.. use. I'll go back and read your post later, but I will say that if there is an observable trend of "bad" neighborhoods being black then I believe it is most likely a symptom of the socio-economic disparity extant in this country. Just my 2 cents for now.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: unbeliever]
    #4630570 - 09/07/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Anisotropic said:
All of them lived in predominately black neighborhoods. None of them I was scared to go in to. (You people are just uninformed, scared pussys.)

I grew up outside of Miami. The predominately black neighborhoods had numerous riots and fires. (eighties/nineties) they always blamed the white man. I would love to see you walk around that neighborhood.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4630714 - 09/07/05 04:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I live in a black area. Everyday I walk past blacks sitting on the corner with boomboxes, chatting, and eating chicken wings. This goes on all day and all night. I don't know why they aren't working. I don't really concern myself with them though, and I definitely don't make eye contact.

And yes, I have bars on my windows and door.


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Re: Black Neighborhoods [Re: looner2]
    #4630775 - 09/07/05 04:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

DOGS!!!!

Ask the experts about home security. Jack MacLean (Secrets of a Superthief) reports the results of a survey of over 300 prison inmates who'd been convicted of burglary or other residential crimes. Three of the questions were about dogs and home security:

Would dogs scare you away?
65% said that dogs of good size and unfriendly persuasion would scare them away
35% said no dog would scare them away.

Based on reassessment of responses, MacLean concludes that over 95% would indeed be scared away.[5]

What kinds of dogs scare you away the most?
35% Dobermans
30% "pit bull dogs"[6]
25% all dogs
10% German Shepherd Dogs

What would scare you away from a residence more than anything?
59% people in the house
32% almost any dog[7]
9% replies from night-time only burglars, who'd be deterred by spot or flood lights lighting up a yard

In another study, the following question was asked of 589 convicted property offenders:

How effective is each of the following likely to be in preventing burglary, breaking and entering and grand theft?

0 - not effective 1 - somewhat effective 2 - very effective

Monitored burglar alarms[8] 1.51
Electronic sensors in windows 1.35
Closed circuit TV cameras in stores 1.31
Private security patrols 1.14
DOG IN HOUSE 1.11
Weapons in home 1.10
Guardhouses protecting homes 1.07
Random police foot patrols 1.05
Better exterior lighting 1.02
"Neighborhood Watch" programs 0.98
Safes/strong boxes 0.83
Local burglar alarms 0.83
Deadbolt lock 0.79
Timed interior lights 0.78[9]

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~n51ls801/securitydogs.html


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