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OfflineAborea
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Complete thought and dope smoking
    #4394298 - 07/12/05 01:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think cannabis can be used as a tool in 'Ego Death'. What do you think?


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Aborea]
    #4394479 - 07/12/05 02:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Cannabis reduces the ego's effect on us some I think. Which enables us to look at situations from different points of views; help get a fresh look at things sometimes. But is true ego death even possible?


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Sycronica]
    #4394772 - 07/12/05 03:37 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

full ego death (or very near to it) has occured on a small number of my cannabis trips. the experiences have been some of the most powerful and enlightening moments of my life. to acheive ego death on cannabis i generally need a dark quiet room with a bed so i can get in a comfortable position ( i find this makes it easier to keep from getting distracted by pain/sensations in the body). i then often listen to music for a while or just relax my body and begin to watch my mind. i find that cannabis alters my thouthgs enough so that i don't fall victim to habitual thinking patterns nearly as easily. the funny thing about ego death is it doesn't occur if you're straining to make it occur, i can lie there all night trying to acheive ego death and never getting it and then the moment i give up on it , it sneaks up on me. then all i can do is do nothing at all and by this i mean "let go" and i find that if im able to truly let go the cannabis will continue to take me higher and higher until everything resolves into an experience of one pure awareness which is bliss. i've also reached this state through the practise of certain meditation methods while high, most notable the inquiryt "who am i" described by ramama maharshi (do a google search to learn more about this). i'd be very interested to hear about anyone elses experiences with cannabis and ego death and i'd be curious to see what your results would be if you tried the method i outlined in this post.


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Aborea]
    #4395049 - 07/12/05 07:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

> I think cannabis can be used as a tool in 'Ego Death'. What do you think?

I don't.


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Seuss]
    #4395187 - 07/12/05 09:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

you may have let go of some of your regular thought patterns but im pretty sure when your ego is dead than it's not comin back


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Grav]
    #4395736 - 07/12/05 02:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think what is being achieved thru cannabis or meditation is more of an ego silencing; it shuts up for a while. True death means it's not comming back, which I don't really believe is possible in the modern world. Well it feels impossible for me to achieve anyhow.

I have a problems when I am high, I can't quiet my mind. My meditations have to be completely sober. If I even have any kind of buzz at all it feels like I can't clear my head. Maybe with practice I would be able to but I don't get quiet periods as often as I would like. That and I have become lazy about meditations lately, which is prolly why I have problems clearing the clutter in my head so much. Something I need to work on I guess.


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Sycronica]
    #4395804 - 07/12/05 02:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

why would it be impossible in the modern world? it simply means the loss of the sense of doership, it has nothing to do with where you live or what period of history you live in.


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Grav]
    #4396167 - 07/12/05 04:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Grav said:
you may have let go of some of your regular thought patterns but im pretty sure when your ego is dead than it's not comin back




Yes!


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Deviate]
    #4396348 - 07/12/05 05:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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why would it be impossible in the modern world? it simply means the loss of the sense of doership, it has nothing to do with where you live or what period of history you live in.




I think it would be impossible to loose your ego and be successful in modern day business world. In any business world really, but especially modern day because it is EVERYWHERE. Almost inescapable. To have no ego would mean the complete loss of selfishness and complete transition into selflessness. If I spend my whole day at work trying to help others my job won't get done, then i'll get fired.

My vision of complete ego loss would be one living off the land in a complete wilderness and one with nature. That or you would have to surround yourself with people who will take care of you so you can dedicate yourself to helping others. Just seems like in this world you have to take care of yourself 1st if you are to make ends meet and keep a roof over your head.

Guess it seems impossible to me because it probably is, for me. But it sure is comforting to hear the ego quiet down for a while, it's like a pit stop from the everyday incessant ponderings.

And I looked up "doership" in the dictionary and it is not in there. Not exactly sure what ya meant by that.


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Sycronica]
    #4396427 - 07/12/05 05:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

All psychoactive substances effect different brains differently..


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Kalix]
    #4396451 - 07/12/05 05:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i mean when you lose your ego you lose the sense that you are the doer of actions, instead you are the witness. if you're enlightened the business world won't be able to change that, you can't simply say "im enlightened but the business world won't allow me to express myself so i'm going to become unenlightened. you're stuck with it.


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Aborea]
    #4444680 - 07/23/05 10:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I've never ate a few ounces of cannabis in brownies while drinking bottles of green dragon, but in my experiences cannabis has never caused ego death, even at the highest doses. It just made me extremely high, but I still had a working ego.


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Ravus]
    #4445151 - 07/24/05 01:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thats because you have to do something to foster the ego death, like lay down in your bed and let go completely into the experience or do some time of practise to still the mind. if you try to hang onto your ego it will not be lost. marijuana doesn't force ego death, it just quiets your ego a bit giving you an oppurtunity to see byond it.


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Deviate]
    #4445229 - 07/24/05 01:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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marijuana doesn't force ego death, it just quiets your ego a bit giving you an oppurtunity to see byond it.




But you don't even need marijuana to do that. When I think of ego death, I think of 8 gram mushroom trip type ego death, the type that your ego has no choice about as it is swept along the river; I don't think of eating a few brownies and meditating as ego death anyway comparable to mushroom or LSD ego death.


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Ravus]
    #4445338 - 07/24/05 02:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Rock and Roll


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Aborea]
    #4446127 - 07/24/05 08:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I like to think weed makes it very easy to relax and stay in the now, rather than kill your ego it quiets the dissonance of the mind and allows harmony to be introduced, temporarily. Though, escapism is to be avoided at all costs, it will only inflate the negative properties of the human ego.


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: psyka]
    #4450236 - 07/25/05 01:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

ego death??? you guys are taking the piss right?


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Re: Complete thought and dope smoking [Re: Aborea]
    #4450347 - 07/25/05 01:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Aborea said:
I think cannabis can be used as a tool in 'Ego Death'. What do you think?




I think you're wrong :smile:


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