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I was just attacked by a herd of three deer trying to steal tomatoes and lettuce out of my garden in broad daylight (as in 5 P.M. PDT). Luckily, I was able to scare them away, FOR NOW! I just worry about my "children" Romaine and Roma later tonight.
What shall I do?
Edit: I found these tips online. I wonder if my neighbors will understand when they see me peeing around the perimeter of my property. "Just trying to keep the deer out." Uh huh...
How can I keep deer out of my garden? A compilation of suggestions from our readers:
I've had pretty good luck using bird netting. It's been especially good if I stretch it over a pvc pipe framework (which I spray painted green to be less obvious). I use it over some raised bed planters. I've watched the deer react to it from inside my house. They apparently don't see as well as they hear and smell. They poke their nose into the netting and it startles them and they shy away. Anything protruding through the netting, of course gets trimmed off. It's fairly inexpensive but sort of a nuisance when you want to work in the bed, since you have to roll it back out of the way. It also keeps out the wild turkeys. But the gophers still come in from below. I lost an entire bed of asparagus to gophers after keeping the deer out all season with the netting.
I've battled deer forever and these are my tried and true working solutions to the problem....My favorite is grating Ivory soap or Irish Spring all around the items you need to protect. It's good to do this before the deer establish their trails in the very early spring. I also buy small drawstring bags made of a loosely woven material (from a local garden supply store) and fill them with Milorganite (its a fertilizer with an odor that repels deer). I hang these on the bushes and shrubs the deer love to munch!
The scent of humans is repulsive to wild animals, or scary as natural enemies, and marking your territory with your scent is a natural deterent. It may be a bit unorthodox to have your husband use the garden as a toilet, but you can accomplish the same thing by soaking rags in a bucket, and then ringing your garden with the rags (using plastic gloves of course) and bury them at the outside rim of your garden with some mulch.
Here's something that works great, is cheap and environmentaly safe - Mix one slightly beaten egg with 1 quart of water and spray onto anything that the deer eat. You have to re-apply this about every 4-5 days or after a rain but it really works! We've tried many things - and we have a dog but the eggs work the best.
Here's what worked for me: coyote urine. They have all different types of urine drops at Agway (and probably similar stores-find out what the local carnivore is and give it a try. I also sprinkled my stuff with a ton of black and red pepper, garlic and curry powder-nothing went near my tomatoes! Spray with a little water first so it sticks to the leaves and such. You do have to redo it though-every time it rains.
I've been trying everything. Here's just a few: 1) Human hair clippings from your local beauty shop sprinkled around the plants. 2) blood meal. 3) Moth ball flakes sprinkled all around. These seem to work but eventually I let any of the treatments lapse and the deer feast.
. One year we had a deer problem and after the first feasting in early spring wiping out everything, we lined each bed with chives. It seemed to work and we had flowers the rest of the year, but you have to stay on top of the chives or they can take over the garden.... but when you weed the garden you can just weed out some of the chives as well. (chives bloom adding a nice variation...)
Here's my list of plants that deer won't eat: for annuals use:ageratum,snapdragon,salvia,nicotiana,petunia, alyssum,marigold,begonia. Do NOT use impatiens,geraniums,pansies.
For perennials, I have excellent luck with these:columbine,coreopsis,foxglove,aconitum,lavender, salvia,nepeta,daffodils,hyacinth,rudbeckia,beebalm,babysbreath.Do not use hosta,daylily,any type of mum or shasta daisy,obedient plant,echinacea.
*Note* Any native plants are high risk too, except for the poisonous plants. Deer proof trees and bushes are hard to come by because the ones they don't eat can still be damaged severely by a buck. For evergreens try Spruce,hemlock,Pieris,Leucothoe,and boxwood. Do not use Yew,Arborvitae,pine,rhododendron,and azalea. There are more deer proof plants out there. Actually alot more than people think. I just can't think of them all at this time. Also, plan on using a deer repellant. I use an excellent one called Deer-off. It is completely organic and is comprised of eggs,pepper,and garlic. It is sprayed on the plants and lasts up to 3 months depending on rain and growth rate of the plants. Keep this in mind when it comes to deer: Any plant in the herb family is usually disliked. Any plant that is native is usually eaten with gusto! Any fruiting plant like an apple tree, cherry, or berry bush will be devoured. Hope this will get you started. I deal with deer on a daily basis so I am speaking from experience.
I have excellent luck with; Dragons-eye pine, any ornamental grasses, butterfly bush, caryoptoris, anything with really fuzzy leaves, any mints, asiatic lilies, barberry, artimesia, gold thread juniper, trumpet vine, scotch broom, St. Johnswort and contorted hazel.
Try Deeroff: Rutgers University ranked deeroff number 1 out of 35 repellents tested. Now labeled for rabbits and squirrels.
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Spray the perimeter of your yard with bear scare or pepper spray. You can even brew your own pepper spray to use.
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Deer are extremely persistent, so whatever measures you take must stand up to their continued efforts.
I have read that it helps to "mark" your territory with urine and hair clippings around the perimeter of the garden. A 6' deer fence is a deterrent, but a big project to undertake before sunset tonight!
Some friends used to plant extra for the deer & critters...maybe next year? They swore by siting the "deer garden" some distance from the house & the "people garden" very close to the house, so the human smells would be more noticeable.
We have very bold deer in my town, and I understand that it takes a tall, sturdy fence to withstand their assaults.
Good luck, and may your children live to be salad tomorrow!
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: RESTLESS]
#4393460 - 07/11/05 06:34 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bear Scare or Pepper Spray
No, I said Deer, not bears or muggers...
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If you have watched Big Time Wrestling on TV you should have some great moves to put on them.
If not, fire crackers from the 4th. A pellet gun or paint ball gun. I could lend you my dog.
Go out there in your Bear (bare) suit and scare the shit out of them.
Go to your local zoo and beg some lion shit to scatter around.
Blast the fuck out of em with your tube amp.
Be creative and have fun.
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393468 - 07/11/05 06:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Lion shit"
Would shit from a domestic cat qualify, or are the deer up on that trick?
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Pussy shit. Give me a break. You need lion shit.  I have used it and it works.
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Veritas]
#4393480 - 07/11/05 06:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Withstand their assaults"
There are three of them. After watching the video "When Animals Attack" and the guy getting spanked by the deer it made me a little uneasy chasing them off.
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Pepper Spray on the ground would deter them from entering your yard, I din't mean actually spray them with it, but that's up to you. Either method would work fine
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393486 - 07/11/05 06:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well aren't lions big pussies, kinda? 
OK, I wonder what the zookeeper will say. Is this going to be a routine request, or will I face scorn?
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You should be wary. A deer can easily disembowel a man with one hoof strike to the abdomin. Carefull there buddy.
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Well if these deer are that bold I have the solution. Shoot them, skin them, and eat them. Venison is a healthy lean meat that tastes good. I would not hesitate if one of them was so bold as to attack me.
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: RESTLESS]
#4393495 - 07/11/05 06:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did spread some pepper spray around to try to deter the gophers which are also pretty destructive to folaige. It didn't seem to work too well.
Nice antlers!
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393504 - 07/11/05 06:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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"A deer can easily disembowel a man with one hoof strike to the abdomen."
OK now it's really on. Can I "protect" myself out of season if it's in my yard (not on a farm)?
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Gophers are underground diggers though.
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Zoo keeper are used to this request. They may make you go into the lion cage and get it yourself just for laughs though.
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: RESTLESS]
#4393523 - 07/11/05 06:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, but they sell chili pepper to spread around the perimeter of your property to keep away gophers. Cost me $ 12. I think gophers use it for seasoning...
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393526 - 07/11/05 06:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will wear my running shoes.
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If it is doing damage on your land there is no season required.
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They are bold for sure but I wouldn't want to get disemboweled. Perhaps I shall shoot one of them with a bow and arrow from the safety of my second story deck...nice safe and quiet kill, no gun to alarm the neighbors or chance of getting "hoofed".
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I assume you are a hunter. But if you are not. A poor shot with a bow will leave you with some major tracking to do. Really the same is true with a gun, but they are much easier for sunday hunters. You wouldn't really want to wound them. Although they would fall prey to something if the wound was debilitating. I am done killing without necessity myself. I have killed too may things in my time.
Send me some deer meat. All I have is elk and the kids prefer deer. Brats.
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"If it is damage to your land there is no season required"
Thanks Hue. I figured you would know the law. 
I may be bow hunting one of them from my deck one of these mornings. Is it still considered sporting if you have coffee and breakfast while waiting?
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You may still need to procure a permit for the cold blooded murder of the poor bambi.
But hell it is your stuff. They don't even have jobs.
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Entirely sporting...hey your using a bow...that is damned sporting. I prefer a Yew enlish longbow (mine is 90# @ 28") myself. The fact that you live somewhere where a deer can be shot from your porch is cool. I live in a similar place...I love the privacy. Icelander, in Kentucky no permit would be required....but that is my state I don't know about others. For the record one shot one kill is the standard.
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I believe you! But now you have to send me some deer meat.
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"that is my state I don't know about others"
Darn, I was going to tell the game warden "Well Hue said it was OK."
I live on the fringe of the woods but pretty much "in town". They just can't resist coming down the hill and getting treats. It was a little wierd they were doing it at 5 PM instead of 5 AM.
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393637 - 07/11/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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"I am done killing" "Send me some deer meat."
Real men bring home their own meat...or is that "the bacon"?
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I have them sleeping all day around my house. And the occasional turkey and I live right by downtown.
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#4393642 - 07/11/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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When the season starts in October I plan to give it a try. Unfortunately I am a much better bowmaker and archer than a hunter. I am a good shot, but there is much more to the art. In the past I have been successful, but it is not consistant. I guess that is why it is called "hunting" and not "shopping". Now I consider myself to be a spectacularly good fisherman. I have fished all of my life, but I am relatively new to hunting.(last 6 years)
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I grew up hunting and fishing. I prefer fishing and at one time lived to hunt very large trout in stream and lake. I had some success. I too never really was a great hunter. The magic of what is beneath the water has always captured my spirit.
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393696 - 07/11/05 07:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't want to kill these deer other than I do take my vegetables seriously.
Fishing sounds good tho...somehow killing a fish to eat it doesn't seem as problematic as killing Bambi and gutting it...plus fish is better for you than red meat.
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Fish aren't cute, warm and cuddly.
They are amazing and beautiful in an alien way.
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#4393729 - 07/11/05 07:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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"They are amazing and beautiful in an alien way."
I had an Indian out of the blue bring me some "blueback" Sockeye salmon. They were very fresh and really looked nice. I felt sad that they wouldn't be swimming any more because you could see that was what they were enjoying before this guy snagged them with his net.
They sure taste good!
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For me the art of hunting is in the stalking. There is some skill involved to be a good shot, but that is the easy part. It's not hard to sit in a tree stand with a bow and wait for the deer to present themselves. As long as you know where.
But to go in and walk up your prey, on their turf, to read sign and to move with patient stealth, that takes real skill and knowledge. And reverance I might add. It doesn't matter about getting a trophy. The time spent in this way is precious. I, unfortunately was never skilled at it. I found my best "scores" with big or rare game came while immersed in fishing some small stream up in the mountains or coastal hills or desert canyons. I was often in trance and would walk right into big game animals that I would never even have seen had I been hunting them.
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#4393884 - 07/11/05 08:49 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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The animals know when they are being hunted. Aren't wild turkeys supposed to be hard to track down and shoot? They obviously know the difference between in season and out of season because they come real close to houses as you mentioned.
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No I can't. It's hard to believe. Yet it has happened. I'm nervous just being in grizzley country.
But I've had many close incounters with black bears. I once woke up to see a large bear face sniffing my face from about 2 inches. Guess which one of us was most scared. 
Nope, It was the bear. I screamed in it's face and by the time I propped myself up to look at it, that bear was 30 yards away and slowing down to take a look at what the fuck had happened.
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I am a big fan of Tom Brown. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brown_%28naturalist%29 He is a wilderness survival expert who was trained (in the 1950s) by an Apache scout. He tells how to stalk up close enough to touch deer. I have had little success with this method as it requires years of practice...I am afaid the ground blind is more my speed. I don't trust tree stands as most are rated at 200lbs. I am 6'4" and weigh 250. If you have not read Tom Brown's work then check it out. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0425141403/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-9566198-9342358#readerpage and http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0425105725/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-9566198-9342358#readerpage These are two of his best.
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I have many of his books. I also took survival courses in the High Desert area using Piaute survival methods. Jim Riggs was the instructor.
Also check out books by Larry Dean Olson. I carry his book in car and survival pack.
I used to think about surviving the crash of civilization, and all sorts of other wickedly fun fantasys. But now one of my favorite quotes from a guy I work with is: " survival is overrated"
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I will check out Olson. I studied this information for historical reasons...and because I think that people should be well versed in technology...both ancient and modern. As far as survival being overated....here is how I look at it. If something catastrophic happens to mankind...alien invasion, nuclear war, the total dissolution of organized behavior, zombies, etc... it could be kind of cool to watch at least for a little while. I certainly don't want to leave the theatre before the movie is over. If it hit the point of no hope I could always allow myself to be taken by whatever force has devastatd Earth. Being vaporized by a death ray or standing ground zero for a hydrogen bomb explosion could have a large coolness factor.
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Dried blood, blood meal. Available at your lawn and garden supply center.
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Good point! I agree. I must learn the fiddle so I have something to play if it all burns.
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4397383 - 07/12/05 07:42 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I suggest a perimeter alarm klaxon and strobe. i wouldn't expect the same deer to set that shit off more than 3 or 4 times before finding quieter eating grounds. if i'm wrong, tho, you'll have pissed neighbors.
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