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Icelander
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I assume you are a hunter. But if you are not. A poor shot with a bow will leave you with some major tracking to do. Really the same is true with a gun, but they are much easier for sunday hunters. You wouldn't really want to wound them. Although they would fall prey to something if the wound was debilitating. I am done killing without necessity myself. I have killed too may things in my time.
Send me some deer meat. All I have is elk and the kids prefer deer. Brats.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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LunarEclipse
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"If it is damage to your land there is no season required"
Thanks Hue. I figured you would know the law. 
I may be bow hunting one of them from my deck one of these mornings. Is it still considered sporting if you have coffee and breakfast while waiting?
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Icelander
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You may still need to procure a permit for the cold blooded murder of the poor bambi.
But hell it is your stuff. They don't even have jobs.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Entirely sporting...hey your using a bow...that is damned sporting. I prefer a Yew enlish longbow (mine is 90# @ 28") myself. The fact that you live somewhere where a deer can be shot from your porch is cool. I live in a similar place...I love the privacy. Icelander, in Kentucky no permit would be required....but that is my state I don't know about others. For the record one shot one kill is the standard.
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Icelander
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I believe you! But now you have to send me some deer meat.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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"that is my state I don't know about others"
Darn, I was going to tell the game warden "Well Hue said it was OK."
I live on the fringe of the woods but pretty much "in town". They just can't resist coming down the hill and getting treats. It was a little wierd they were doing it at 5 PM instead of 5 AM.
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393637 - 07/11/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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"I am done killing" "Send me some deer meat."
Real men bring home their own meat...or is that "the bacon"?
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Edited by LunarEclipse (07/11/05 07:41 PM)
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Icelander
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I have them sleeping all day around my house. And the occasional turkey and I live right by downtown.
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393642 - 07/11/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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When the season starts in October I plan to give it a try. Unfortunately I am a much better bowmaker and archer than a hunter. I am a good shot, but there is much more to the art. In the past I have been successful, but it is not consistant. I guess that is why it is called "hunting" and not "shopping". Now I consider myself to be a spectacularly good fisherman. I have fished all of my life, but I am relatively new to hunting.(last 6 years)
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Icelander
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I grew up hunting and fishing. I prefer fishing and at one time lived to hunt very large trout in stream and lake. I had some success. I too never really was a great hunter. The magic of what is beneath the water has always captured my spirit.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393696 - 07/11/05 07:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't want to kill these deer other than I do take my vegetables seriously.
Fishing sounds good tho...somehow killing a fish to eat it doesn't seem as problematic as killing Bambi and gutting it...plus fish is better for you than red meat.
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Edited by LunarEclipse (07/11/05 07:53 PM)
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Icelander
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Fish aren't cute, warm and cuddly.
They are amazing and beautiful in an alien way.
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393729 - 07/11/05 07:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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"They are amazing and beautiful in an alien way."
I had an Indian out of the blue bring me some "blueback" Sockeye salmon. They were very fresh and really looked nice. I felt sad that they wouldn't be swimming any more because you could see that was what they were enjoying before this guy snagged them with his net.
They sure taste good!
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Icelander
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For me the art of hunting is in the stalking. There is some skill involved to be a good shot, but that is the easy part. It's not hard to sit in a tree stand with a bow and wait for the deer to present themselves. As long as you know where.
But to go in and walk up your prey, on their turf, to read sign and to move with patient stealth, that takes real skill and knowledge. And reverance I might add. It doesn't matter about getting a trophy. The time spent in this way is precious. I, unfortunately was never skilled at it. I found my best "scores" with big or rare game came while immersed in fishing some small stream up in the mountains or coastal hills or desert canyons. I was often in trance and would walk right into big game animals that I would never even have seen had I been hunting them.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393884 - 07/11/05 08:49 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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The animals know when they are being hunted. Aren't wild turkeys supposed to be hard to track down and shoot? They obviously know the difference between in season and out of season because they come real close to houses as you mentioned.
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Edited by LunarEclipse (07/11/05 08:52 PM)
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Icelander
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No I can't. It's hard to believe. Yet it has happened. I'm nervous just being in grizzley country.
But I've had many close incounters with black bears. I once woke up to see a large bear face sniffing my face from about 2 inches. Guess which one of us was most scared. 
Nope, It was the bear. I screamed in it's face and by the time I propped myself up to look at it, that bear was 30 yards away and slowing down to take a look at what the fuck had happened.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4393932 - 07/11/05 09:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am a big fan of Tom Brown. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brown_%28naturalist%29 He is a wilderness survival expert who was trained (in the 1950s) by an Apache scout. He tells how to stalk up close enough to touch deer. I have had little success with this method as it requires years of practice...I am afaid the ground blind is more my speed. I don't trust tree stands as most are rated at 200lbs. I am 6'4" and weigh 250. If you have not read Tom Brown's work then check it out. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0425141403/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-9566198-9342358#readerpage and http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0425105725/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-9566198-9342358#readerpage These are two of his best.
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Edited by Huehuecoyotl (07/11/05 09:20 PM)
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You could dig a moat around the garden.
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Icelander
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I have many of his books. I also took survival courses in the High Desert area using Piaute survival methods. Jim Riggs was the instructor.
Also check out books by Larry Dean Olson. I carry his book in car and survival pack.
I used to think about surviving the crash of civilization, and all sorts of other wickedly fun fantasys. But now one of my favorite quotes from a guy I work with is: " survival is overrated"
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Attack Deer [Re: Icelander]
#4395532 - 07/12/05 11:13 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will check out Olson. I studied this information for historical reasons...and because I think that people should be well versed in technology...both ancient and modern. As far as survival being overated....here is how I look at it. If something catastrophic happens to mankind...alien invasion, nuclear war, the total dissolution of organized behavior, zombies, etc... it could be kind of cool to watch at least for a little while. I certainly don't want to leave the theatre before the movie is over. If it hit the point of no hope I could always allow myself to be taken by whatever force has devastatd Earth. Being vaporized by a death ray or standing ground zero for a hydrogen bomb explosion could have a large coolness factor.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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