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'Israel will eventually disappear'
    #4393094 - 07/11/05 06:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

'Israel will eventually disappear'



Senior Hamas leader tells Italian newspaper pullout plan a temporary solution; says Palestine will become a Muslim state
By Dian Bahur-Nir and Ali Waked



Hamas will not compromise on one inch of Greater Palestine, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar told an Italian newspaper earlier this week.



Speaking to the Corriere Della Sera newspaper, al-Zahar said Hamas would "definitely not" be prepared for coexistence with Israel should the IDF retreat to its 1967 borders.




Shalom meets with EU envoy Solana (Photo: Flash 90)
"It can be a temporary solution, for a maximum of 5 to 10 years. But in the end Palestine must return to become Muslim, and in the long term Israel will disappear from the face of the earth."

Go to hell



Asked about Hamas's intentions to carry out terror attacks in coordination with the disengagement plan, al-Zahar said Hamas has already promised not to initiate violence, and that the group's actions would be in response to Israeli actions.



"We won't disrupt the Israeli withdrawal, let them get out of here and go to hell," he said. "The problem will be afterwards, because in the hearts of every Palestinian, the liberation of Gaza must be accompanied by the liberation of Jerusalem and the West Bank."



London attack




Al-Zahar said the London bombings, whiched occured during the interview, are to be expected in countries that support the United States.



"It's no wonder today they have found terror attacks in their home," he said. "I am opposed to attacks against civilians, whoever they are, but why not tell it like it is - if the British soldiers were not in Baghdad and Bazra ? there would be mercy for London today."




However, al-Zahar stopped short of supporting the attack on the London Underground, but tried to "explain" the acts of suicide bombers.



"There is a broad popular people's movement against American arrogant hegemony. World leaders, headed by the Bush and Blair governments, should have been more attentive to the voice of poorer countries."



Foreign Ministry protests




In Israel, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom provided a translation of part of the interview and parts of the Hamas consitution Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom for European Union envoy Javier Solana, in an attempt to explain Israel's rejection fo negotioations with Hamas.



The Ministry has also embarked on a campaign to discourage Europeans from dealing with Hamas, including an English translation of Hamas's convention, to be distributed to diplomats in a bid to illustrate the movement's radical and dangerous character to the attention of decision makers throughout the world.



"Now, when Europe has offered to recognize Hamas on a political level, al-Zahar provides clear statements of what to expect from the organization," Ministry officials told Ynet. "He does not even attempt to speak ambiguously in an attempt to please Europe and finds it difficult to hide the group's happiness at the London bombings."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3111238,00.html


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4393543 - 07/11/05 09:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Taking land from democratic peoples and making it into a third world despotic nation is "liberating" it? I need to get my New Hamas Dictionary.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: phreedom420]
    #4393615 - 07/11/05 09:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The Arabs are most certainly liberating land they previously rightly owned.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: cb9fl]
    #4393770 - 07/11/05 10:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

cb9fl said:

"The Arabs are most certainly liberating land they previously rightly owned."



if you are right then they should liberate "Andalusia" (Spain)
Andalusia is what the Arabs called Spain when they owned it.




Dar al-Salaam, meaning "Land of Peace," a term used to describe Muslim-controlled lands (sometimes also called Dar al-Islam, meaning "Land of Islam").

The other is Dar al-Harb, meaning "Land of Struggle" or "Land of War." This term is used to denote all other lands. By this very terminology, all non-Muslim lands are defined as areas where Islam must struggle or war so that these areas may be converted to Dar al-Islam, lands ruled by Islam.

Apparently it is an abomination for land that was once Dar al-Islam, land controlled by Muslims, to become Dar al-Harb, "land of struggle" in which Muslims have lost control and seen it revert back to rule by non-Muslims (infidels).

Yet it explains why, in more than a dozen areas across the globe, Muslims are waging war along the edges of the Islamic world to convert more lands to Dar al-Islam (think of Chechnya, Kashmir, Indonesia, the Philippines, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, etc.).

It also explains why Muslims/ Arabs are fundamentally opposed to the existence of the Jewish state of Israel . They don't want a two-state solution, unless it is only as a temporary measure. They want a single Palestinian state "from the sea to the sea" as they define it-from the Dead Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, with no place for Israel at all.

Israel, you see, is an infidel country sitting on land that was once Dar al-Islam, the land of Islam!



What does this have to do with Spain? In the first great wave of Islamic expansion from its birthplace in the Arabian Peninsula, Muslim warriors spread the new religion throughout the Middle East to Central Asia, India, North Africa and Spain .


Spain remained under Islamic control for several centuries until the Islamic Moors were driven out, a process completed in 1492.

But remember that it is considered an abomination for land that was once Dar al-Islam, land controlled by Muslims, to become Dar al-Harb, land controlled by non-Muslims. An al-Qaeda spokesman, explaining why America deserved the 9/11 attacks, cited as one reason "the tragedy of al-Andalus"-the expulsion of the Islamic Moors from Andalusia, their name for their kingdom in southern Spain .

But what did America have to do with events in Spain more than five centuries ago? That's part of the point. In their thinking, America = Spain = Britain = France = Canada = Australia = Israel = Dar al-Harb, the land of struggle that must be converted to Dar al Islam. All are one and the same, part of one continuous, ongoing struggle of Islam against its foes.



Simply put, the Islamic terrorists want Spain back!!!!!




The wave of Islamic expansion that took Spain also advanced into the heart of France, where the Muslim warriors were defeated in the Battle of Tours in 732.

Even with their defeat, a second wave of Islamic expansion in the 12th century spread Islam into Eastern Europe before its advance was halted at Vienna in 1683. They want that area back, too, which is why we have seen bloody wars in the Balkans in recent years.



even if we give them Spain, France, Vienna and Israel back.(your idea) they will not stop.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: cb9fl]
    #4393773 - 07/11/05 10:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The jews owned it first. They took it from the Canaanites and Philistines.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4393807 - 07/11/05 10:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

good


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4393887 - 07/11/05 10:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Your as bad as O'Riley...no spin zone my ass...

Your spinning like a top.
Take a concept and try as hard as you can to pass it as a F-A-C-T
I have heard you try to spin this point of view several times.
The only link you provided doesn't work.
I have yet to hear any other person say that the Muslims are trying to take over the world

The only thing they have wanted from us was to stay out of the Middle East in policy and person.

Period.

They don't want us there.......leave them be.


Build a wall around their precious lands, and let these people govern themselves.

Find a better fuel source and let them stay in the past.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4393922 - 07/11/05 11:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

WhiteRabbitt said:
The jews owned it first. They took it from the Canaanites and Philistines.




That is true.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: niteowl]
    #4393927 - 07/11/05 11:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:
Your as bad as O'Riley...no spin zone my ass...

Your spinning like a top.
Take a concept and try as hard as you can to pass it as a F-A-C-T
I have heard you try to spin this point of view several times.
The only link you provided doesn't work.
I have yet to hear any other person say that the Muslims are trying to take over the world

The only thing they have wanted from us was to stay out of the Middle East in policy and person.

Period.

They don't want us there.......leave them be.


Build a wall around their precious lands, and let these people govern themselves.

Find a better fuel source and let them stay in the past.




A-motherfucking-MEN


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Redstorm]
    #4393928 - 07/11/05 11:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The Canaanites and Philistines should kill some people.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4393931 - 07/11/05 11:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sure they would if they still existed.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Vex]
    #4393939 - 07/11/05 11:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

After we build that wall, should we round up all the muslims in the rest of the world and throw them into this concentration camp as well?


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Redstorm]
    #4393942 - 07/11/05 11:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe we could clone some, and train them to kill.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4393951 - 07/11/05 11:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

no...We should leave the area, let them build their own wall around islam if they so desire, find alternate energy, and let them live their shitty midevil lives however they want.

The ones who have moved here to live normal non-fanatical lives can go on living in peace, and terrorists won't migrate into this country to kill us because they'll have their precious "pure islam" Everybody wins.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Vex]
    #4394010 - 07/11/05 11:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So should militant islamist american citizens be stripped of their citizenship and deported back to where they belong?


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4394028 - 07/11/05 11:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

yeah...


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4394043 - 07/11/05 11:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

We should just have a deathmatch being the biggest baddass Israeli vs. the toughest Palestinian out there for rights to the Promised Land.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Redstorm]
    #4394385 - 07/12/05 02:00 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

The only thing they have wanted from us was to stay out of the Middle East in policy and person.

Period.

They don't want us there.......leave them be.


Build a wall around their precious lands, and let these people govern themselves.

Find a better fuel source and let them stay in the past.




I'll give that a 2nd amen  :thumbup:


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Sycronica]
    #4666312 - 09/15/05 07:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

muslims stole all the land they have now.


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Re: 'Israel will eventually disappear' [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4666390 - 09/15/05 07:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Are you Great_Satan?


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