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I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you.
    #4392465 - 07/11/05 03:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you
Roger Scruton



APOLOGISTS for terrorism (and they are not in short supply) argue that it is a weapon used by people who despair of achieving their goals in any other way. It is a cry from the depths by those deprived of a voice in the political process. The terrorist is not an aggressor but a victim, and we must disarm him not by violence but by addressing the grievance that motivates his deeds. This argument has been used to excuse Palestinian suicide bombers, IRA kneecappers, Red Brigade kidnappers, and even the mass murderers of September 11. Its main effect is to blame the victim and excuse the crime.
If you look at the actual condition of terrorists down the ages, however, you will soon discover that the excuse does not match the reality. Some terrorists have been poor and some have been victims of injustice. But those are the exceptions. The Jacobins, who unleashed the original Terror, were for the most part privileged members of the rising elite. The Russian anarchists of the 19th century were no worse off from the point of view of material and social privileges than you or me, and with grievances that were more the work of the imagination than the result of either observing or sympathising with the ordinary people of Russia. There is no evidence that Osama bin Laden?s entourage is any different, and even the IRA, which purports to represent the ?oppressed? Catholics of Ulster, is very far from recruiting from those whose oppressed condition it loudly advertises. As for the Islamist terrorists who have targeted our cities, they tend to be well educated, specialists in medicine, engineering or computer science, people who might have helped to provide the Middle East with the stable middle class that it so badly needs, but instead have chosen another and faster route to glory.



It seems to me that we will be nearer to understanding terrorism if, instead of looking at what terrorists have in common, we look at what is common to their victims. The targets of terrorism are groups, nations or races. And they are distinguished by their worldly success ? either material or social. The original Terror was directed against the French aristocracy ? soon supplemented by all kinds of real and imaginary groups supposed to be aiding them. The Russian anarchists targeted people with wealth, office or power. The Great Terror of Stalin, initiated by Lenin, was directed against groups alleged to be profiting from the system that impoverished the rest. The Nazi terror picked on the Jews, because of their undoubted material success, and the ease with which they could be assembled as a group. Even the nationalist terrorists of the IRA and Eta variety are targeting nations thought to enjoy wealth, power and privilege, at the expense of others equally entitled. Islamic terrorists bomb the cities of Europe and America because those cities are a symbol of the material and political success of the Western nations, and a rebuke to the political chaos and deep-rooted corruption of the Muslim world.

Success breeds resentment, and resentment breeds hate. This simple observation was made into the root of his political psychology by Nietzsche, who identified ressentiment, as he called it, as the distinguishing social emotion of modern societies: an emotion once ordered and managed by Christianity, now let loose across the world. I don?t say that Nietzsche?s analysis is correct. But surely he was right to identify this peculiar motive in human beings, right to emphasise its overwhelming importance, and right to point out that it lies deeper than the springs of rational discussion.

In dealing with terrorism you are confronting a resentment that is not concerned to improve the lot of anyone, but only to destroy the thing it hates. That is what appeals in terrorism, since hatred is a much easier and less demanding emotion to live by than love, and is much more effective in recruiting a following. And when the object of hatred is a group, a race, a class or a nation, we can furnish from our hatred a comprehensive stance towards the world. That way hatred brings order out of chaos, and decision out of uncertainty ? the perfect solution to the alienated Muslim, lost in a world that denies his religion, and which his religion in turn denies.

Of course hatred has other causes besides resentment. Someone who has suffered an injustice may very well hate the person who committed it. However, such hatred is precisely targeted, and cannot be satisfied by attacking some innocent substitute. Hatred born of resentment is not like that. It is a passion bound up with the very identity of the one who feels it, and rejoices in damaging others purely by virtue of their membership of the targeted group. Resentment will always prefer indiscriminate mass murder to a carefully targeted punishment. Indeed, the more innocent the victim, the more satisfying the act. For this is the proof of holiness, that you are able to condemn people to death purely for being bourgeois, rich, Jewish, or whatever, and without examining their moral record.

The tendency to resent lies in all of us, and can be overcome only by a discipline that tells us to blame faults in ourselves and to forgive faults in others. This discipline lies at the heart of Christianity and many argue that it lies at the heart of Islam too. If that is so, it is time for Muslims to organise against those who preach resentment in the name of their religion, and who regard the crimes of last Thursday as virtuous deeds, performed with God?s blessing, in a holy cause.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-1686512,00.html





"The ultimate goal of the religion [Islam] is to be the only accepted religion and only form of government since it's actually both."


This is a crucial point, and one which few people seem to get.


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4392493 - 07/11/05 03:09 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nietzsche was sometimes a nutcase, and sometimes a very thinker.


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4392510 - 07/11/05 03:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

the jealousy theory is one of the more ridiculous and illogical of the bunch you right wing nuts like to spout. Quite frankly, it's propaganda to drum up hate, not to mention a complete crock of shit.


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4392519 - 07/11/05 03:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
"The ultimate goal of the religion [Islam] is to be the only accepted religion and only form of government since it's actually both."

This is a crucial point, and one which few people seem to get.



And yet, not every single muslim is a terrorist. Or are they? Since we're taking every verse in the Koran as a representation of Islam, should we take the Old Testament as a represantation of Christianity, as well? Some pretty heinous stuff in there too and I don't want to be killed for working on a Sunday. Get rid of the Christians?


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: Vex]
    #4392526 - 07/11/05 03:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Vex said:
the jealousy theory is one of the more ridiculous and illogical of the bunch you right wing nuts like to spout. Quite frankly, it's propaganda to drum up hate, not to mention a complete crock of shit.




sounds like you have some hate.


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4392533 - 07/11/05 03:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I do. It comes from looking into REALITY a bit though. Not from propaganda speeches about how the terrorists are jealous of us and how they "hate our freedoms"


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: Vex]
    #4392540 - 07/11/05 03:22 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I guess the question is this...

IF we weren't as sucessful as we are, IF they had our success, would they bomb us? I don't think that they would.


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    #4392548 - 07/11/05 03:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think they'd bomb us, or want to bomb us, if we didn't meddle into every Middle Eastern country's affairs. Not that our meddling is exclusive to that region...


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: bukkake]
    #4392600 - 07/11/05 03:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

yes, it's really not so hard to grasp...We as Americans don't care about them because they do not effect us (until the terrorism of course) They do not have military bases here, they do not sell our enemies weapons, they don't lobby for sanctions to be imposed against us, they don't exploit our nation for oil, and they don't hold enormous influence over our leaders and government. We do all of that to them though. I doubt they would care as much about our lifestyles if they never had to see us, like how we feel about them since we don't have to pay any attention to them, but since we are trying to diplomatically (and militarily) control the region they live in they have no choice but to observe us and judge whether or not they like us. And they don't, and i wouldn't like it either if the positions were reversed. I'm not apologizing for them, i'm just making and effort to understand why things are the way they are, and anyone who says that is a waste of time is ignorant, plain and simple.

Lonestar, can you not look into the future in any sort of way and see what might be coming? It's people like you who believe it's all based on religion and nothing else that give the terrorists all the ammo they need to start a full scale global holy war. Why are people in America so intent on this happening? Personally, i think there is a better way to deal with the solution than WWIII.

Bin Laden (the leader of al queda) has said the reasons for their attacks are US foreign policy and our relationship with Israel. Do you think he is lying about what he wants? Because that seems insanely stupid to me.


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4392792 - 07/11/05 04:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe if people took the time to understand the real reasons behind terrorism they wouldn't be duped by propaganda like this. Jealousy of "Western" society has nothing to do with terrorism. It's like Vex said. Meddling in the Middle East is what's causing this resentment. It's not resentment of "success" (which is highly subjective btw) or "our kind" (human beings?).


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: moog]
    #4392875 - 07/11/05 04:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If we stopped meddling.


What happens to the Jews?? who cares.

the minority populations in Iraq and Afghanistan? fuck them.

Will the terrorists end their war on the West? hell no.

What about the separate wars in India, the Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia, and the Sudan? they will continue.

After a total withdrawl of American troops from their overseas locations, what might Americans expect at home or abroad?

I know the answers but the left has failed to provide its own "roadmap".




The stated objectives of Islamic terrorists are:

-To evict "westerners" from the Muslim world

-To destroy Israel and, by implication, exterminate all Jews

-To reconquer those portions of Europe previously under Muslim rule

-And ultimately to conquer the balance of the planet





i will have to look up those parts of Europe that were previously under Muslim rule. but they are fucked.


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4392932 - 07/11/05 05:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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What happens to the Jews??



If by "Jews" you mean Israelis, they'll have to stop mooching off of us and defend their own borders like any other country.

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the minority populations in Iraq and Afghanistan?



You mean like the minority populations that are trying to kill us right now?

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Will the terrorists end their war on the West?



Debatable.  They would certainly lose most of their recruiting power.

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What about the separate wars in India, the Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia, and the Sudan? they will continue.



You say that as if we have the power to make these people get along.

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After a total withdrawl of American troops from their overseas locations, what might Americans expect at home or abroad?



If other nations are forgiving enough, then we can expect peace and prosperity.

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I know the answers but the left has failed to provide its own "roadmap".



What you know is rhetoric, not answers.



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The stated objectives of Islamic terrorists are:



Which Islamic terrorists are we talking about here?  There are many groups, each with their own goals and ideology.

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-To evict "westerners" from the Muslim world



And rightly so.  We need to mind our own business.

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-To destroy Israel and, by implication, exterminate all Jews



Ya, all my Jewish friends live in Israel. :rolleyes:

Israel has the largest military in the Middle East.  I think they can take care of themselves just fine.

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-To reconquer those portions of Europe previously under Muslim rule



I haven't heard this before.  Source?

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-And ultimately to conquer the balance of the planet



Again, source?  And what do you mean by the "balance of the planet"?


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: Vex]
    #4392954 - 07/11/05 05:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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the jealousy theory is one of the more ridiculous and illogical of the bunch you right wing nuts like to spout. Quite frankly, it's propaganda to drum up hate, not to mention a complete crock of shit.




naw, I've seen the effect of jealousy firsthand.

some crackheads get jealous because I have things a little better than them, so instead of getting off crack and looking for work, they decide to rob my car stereo and kick my apartment door in, looking for goodies. As I get older, I find that it doesn't pay to have friends outside of your class... it breeds jealousy and envy, and that shit leads to gettin robbed... simple as that. I wish I could be nice to the less fortunate without getting robbed, but apparently my charity only breeds contempt... in addition to letting thugs know I have nice shit in my house...

and no, I'm not a right wing nut. Never once voted repub or libertarian.


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4392972 - 07/11/05 05:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

AHAHAHA i cant believe people still believe the "jealous of our freedoms" line of horseshit the repoops fed people. hehe


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4392986 - 07/11/05 05:22 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
If by "Jews" you mean Israelis, they'll have to stop mooching off of us and defend their own borders like any other country.




They do a very good job at defending their own borders.  If we withdraw our support, we also have to withdraw our judgement for how they defend their borders.  In this no-holds-barred contest, Israel would just take over the entire Middle East (if she wanted to)


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And rightly so.  We need to mind our own business.




So if we "pull out" of the Middle East, and Israel says "OK, we can easily decimiate these heathens, we now claim all of it for ourself". You'd recommend us sitting on our hands?

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Ya, all my Jewish friends live in Israel. :rolleyes:



Lets say that your Jewish friends all got on an airliner headed for Europe.  Then lets say that that airliner was hijacked by Muslims.  Who do you think they'd start shooting first? Moshe Steinman, or Joe Johnson?  The extremist muslims hate jews.  Just because your Jewish friends didn't live in 1930 Poland/Germany doesn't negate the anti-Semitism of the times.

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Israel has the largest military in the Middle East.  I think they can take care of themselves just fine.




I don't think it's the largest, but certainly they kick some ass.


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4393022 - 07/11/05 05:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The stated objectives of Islamic terrorists are:
-To reconquer those portions of Europe previously under Muslim rule



Paradigmn said:

I haven't heard this before. Source?


Dar al-Islam (the House of Islam)

and Dar al-Harb (the House of War)

Dar al-Islam refers to the land of the Muslims under the historical Caliphate and is defined in the most expansive terms. Any land that has been ruled by Muslims is considered an irrevocable part of Dar al-Islam. Spain, for example, is considered Dar al-Islam, as are Portugal, India and Israel. Describing Spain as a ?territory? carries the semantic implication that Islam has a claim to governance over Spanish people and lands.


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4393025 - 07/11/05 05:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds similar to Zionism.


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4393030 - 07/11/05 05:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

OJ Simpson killed his wife over jealousy!!

or was he innocent??


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    #4393042 - 07/11/05 05:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

they arent jealous of anything


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Re: I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4393180 - 07/11/05 06:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
OJ Simpson  killed his wife over jealousy!!

or was he innocent??




Case Closed!! It's a slam dunk!

OJ Simpson killed his wife because he was jealous! This obviously means that terrorists are coordinating a massive global terror campaign because they are jealous of us!!! It's all jealously you see? Thank you OJ Simpson, for showing us the way!

THIS JUST IN!!

Terrorist recruiting propaganda captured. The Title? "Are you jealous of Americans??"




:rolleyes:


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