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OfflineJapher
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Epsom salts tek?
    #439229 - 10/28/01 11:12 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i just bought some epsom salts from the chemist (no-one told me there were a cure for bloody constipation!) and i'm wondering whether anyone who has used them for drying could give me some pointers on preparation and use.

i know i have to bake them first. what temp? for how long? i was thinking of then using them the same as my dessicant (i put it in the bottom of a container, couple of layers of tissue paper, then shrooms on top), and after some fan drying. does anyone have a better method?

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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: Japher]
    #439254 - 10/28/01 11:48 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

You cook them for 30 min at 400 - 450 degrees. I remember reading something about crushing them up but am not sure about this. I suggesst that you fan dry your shrooms first and then finish them off in a dessicant / epson salt container.


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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: Japher]
    #440632 - 10/29/01 12:16 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I just spread out a thin layer of the epsom salts on a foil covered cookie baking thingie. Then pump up the heat to 400F and let them sweat for about an hour. I take em out and they sorta get melted into one solid mass, and thats where the hammer comes in. I break them down close to their original sized pellets and immediately toss em in the desiccant chamber.
This stuff is best used when you've done the bulk of the drying via fan. My mostly dry mushies get cracker dry over night.

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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: uniboner]
    #441048 - 10/29/01 06:34 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Where can one find epsom salts?


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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: NugDumper]
    #441077 - 10/29/01 06:56 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

safeway, they are on sale, 2.99 for a half gallon. (aka, *anywhere*)


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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: NugDumper]
    #441797 - 10/30/01 11:13 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

yea, just about anywhere. Here in Canada, i find mine at Shoppers Drugmart (just a drugstore).

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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: uniboner]
    #441831 - 10/30/01 11:46 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i live in the uk, and i bought mine in Boots (?1.25 for 500g).


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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: Japher]
    #442988 - 10/31/01 10:03 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

As mentioned above. You need to bake @ 400. Depending on how thick your baking tray is, the longer it will take.
Why bake? To get all the water out of the salt.
The salt will be in normal salt form (small crystalls). After a few minutes of baking the salt will start to clups together. A few minutes more and the salt will be one large mass. You will then see bubbling pockets in the mass. This is the water pooling under the dry surface and escaping from the bubbling pockets. The way to check to see if the salt is done is to gouge it with a knife/fork and break the surface layer to check and see if the salt mass is dry inside. After cooling (half hour). You will then need to break it apart (hammer or plyers work best), again this depends on the thickness. The TEK I used said 1 hour, but it took 2 hours for mine to compleetly dry out. Could have been a week oven, or just a thick bakeing sheet.


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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: Groove_N]
    #443044 - 10/31/01 10:56 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i ended up baking for probably longer than an hour, but the salts were definitely completely dryed out when i removed them (they had started off by going a bit gooey, but more baking dried them out).

i'm not seeing particularly good results with this. they certainly don't seem to be working as good as calcium chloride. i read on here that someone wanted to use them because they were better for the environment when you throw them out. where do you get the idea that magnesium sulphate is better for the environment than calcium chloride?


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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: Japher]
    #443590 - 10/31/01 07:39 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

You'll defiently have to fan dry them first.


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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: phrozendata]
    #445110 - 11/02/01 06:57 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

yes, i fan dry for at least a day before hand, usually more. the salts are working, but not quite as good as desiccant i don't think.

hell, maybe they are just at the same level, but the extra work with the salts means that they lose out.


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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: Japher]
    #445495 - 11/03/01 06:58 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

From the article "sodium and calcium sulfates are surprisingly ineffective..."
% of drying after 15 minutes with 10% w/v dessicant
Dessicant % of drying
4A Molecular Sieves 99
Calicium Chloride (powder) 86
Calcium Chloride ( pellet) 84
Magnesium Sulfate 80
Molecular Sieve (beads) 65
Calcium Sulfate 22
Sodium Sulfate 18

"Given anhydrous Calcium Chloride would be a superior choice, and is cheaper, I'd suggest that was a preferred alternative to anhydrous NaSO4 or Magnesium Sulfate ( note that Epsom Salts is the heptahydrate, and can't be used )."

Hmmm, well it would seem that in this case Calcium Chloride is marginally better at least in the above case (on diethyl ether, not shrooms).

Not sure what a heptahydrate is, so I can't comment on the bit about epsom salts... maybe it can be reduced to just Mag. Sulp. by baking... who knows.






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Re: Epsom salts tek? [Re: Everlast]
    #445964 - 11/03/01 06:27 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

heptahydrate sounds like it might have something to do with the magnesium sulphate molecules in epsom salts being linked with seven water molecules or something.


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