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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: Annapurna1]
#4393755 - 07/11/05 08:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: they could have saved the baby..and caught the suspect..had they not been so impatient...they prolly had shields and body armour too...but the point is the social issues that go into police rules-of-engagement policies..which in turn lead to a decision to kill a baby...no doubt some will argue that todays' action sends a strong message to would-be criminals that kidnapping doesnt work..and that more innocent lives may be saved as a result...it is quite plausible (although i dont know for sure) that the rules-of-engagement center around such a deterrence paradigm...
and like the rest of us..police officers are also being continuosly bombarded with the same "we dont negotiate with terrorists" bullshit from the media...and it is very foolish to think that police officers that keep hearing this wont at some point apply it..intentionally or otherwise..in a hostage situation...
Who are you to tell them how to do their job? Were you there? You think they wanted to kill the baby? You think they meant to shoot the baby?
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Annapurna1
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
#4393772 - 07/11/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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i should remind you whose footing their paychecks...and yes..they did make a calculated decision to kill the baby..irregardless of whether or not that was their goal..and damned be the details...and even more appalling than such a level of police misconduct are its apologists on this board...
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: Annapurna1]
#4393782 - 07/11/05 08:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is Earth. I don't believe you two have met.
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
#4393801 - 07/11/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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That baby was as good as dead when that drunk used her as a shield.
Blaming the cops for this incident is a big stretch.
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: Prosgeopax]
#4393963 - 07/11/05 09:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prosgeopax said: They were being fired upon. From what is said in the article other civilians were in danger. You don't know anything about the situation except from that brief article. Was the author there? Were you there? Have you ever been fired upon? It's easy to be an armchair quarterback after reading an article written by someone who came there after the fact.
agreed.
Edited by Grav (07/11/05 09:24 PM)
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: phreedom420]
#4393987 - 07/11/05 09:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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phreedom420 said: Some drugged drunk guy is standing on a street corner waving a gun around and acting erraticly. How exactly would you deal with this situation? How many cops would you say could have been shot and killed before it would have been acceptable for them to open fire and kill the girl?
Whenever there is a drunk person waving a gun. The first thing you should do is shoot the brain stem.
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: niteowl]
#4394063 - 07/11/05 09:53 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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niteowl said: That baby was as good as dead when that drunk used her as a shield.
Blaming the cops for this incident is a big stretch.
Amen.
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: Annapurna1]
#4394134 - 07/11/05 10:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: obviously meant to be sarcastic..but not entirely untrue either...bush may not have ordered the killing...but his speeches have created a bad attitude nonetheless..which inevitably weighs on decisions like this...
Wow.
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: z@z.com]
#4394318 - 07/11/05 11:40 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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z@z.com said: Wow.
Pretty pathetic, isnt it?
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
#4395054 - 07/12/05 05:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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You don't know anything about the situation except from that brief article. Was the author there? Were you there? Have you ever been fired upon? It's easy to be an armchair quarterback after reading an article written by someone who came there after the fact.
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: Seuss]
#4395326 - 07/12/05 09:25 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ill repeat myself ..the hell with the details.. there was simply no excuse to launch a hail a gunfire..and you will be very hard pressed to argue otherwise...
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: Annapurna1]
#4395337 - 07/12/05 09:32 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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He shot at them. He continued to shoot at them. They were protecting themselves and other innocent bystanders.
But I think your point of view can easily be summed up by a few of your words. the hell with the details
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: newuser1492]
#4396017 - 07/12/05 01:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Burn the rest of the brown terrorist babies before it's too late!!
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: BloodNOil]
#4401554 - 07/13/05 08:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/13/toddler.shooting/index.html
I'm normally a big critic of the LAPD. They're a bunch of retards. The other week the fired over 100 shots at someone in a car in a NEIGHBORHOOD (ehem...), and didnt even kill the guy.
Anyways, this recent even has drawn a lot of critisism which I think is unwarranted. The LAPD did the best they could. When a dad goes psycho and holds a gun to his own baby's head and shoots an LAPD officer killing him and starts firing at the other cops, you don't have much of a choice but to fire back. THe dude could have killed other innocent people on the street, in building, etc.
The whiney ass liberals out there start ragging on the LAPD for this without even bothering to think.. hmmm.. maybe this isn't the poice's fault. Maybe this is the PSYCHO FATHER's FAULT for putting the baby in the crossfire! That's like putting a toddler on a bomber about to drop a bomb on Los angeles, the LAPD shooting it down and screaming "Waaa! The cops killed a baby! WAAA!!!"
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: Annapurna1]
#4401711 - 07/13/05 09:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: ill repeat myself ..the hell with the details.. there was simply no excuse to launch a hail a gunfire..and you will be very hard pressed to argue otherwise...
What do you suggest they should have done when this man was firing on them? Should they have sat back and let him continue to shoot at them?
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: Annapurna1]
#4401717 - 07/13/05 09:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess when the guy goes around threatening his wife and daughter and opens fire on the police...we're just supposed to sit down and have a cuddle puddle to work it out.
It's unfortunate the baby was killed, but it's the cowardice of the father that is to blame, not some conspiracy of racist, life-hating cops.
Ridiculous.
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: afoaf]
#4401853 - 07/13/05 10:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The cops could have used snipers or non lethal ways of detaining the man. How many people were worth killing to kill this man? just this baby or what if he had 2 or 3. would it be worth killing 10 babies to stop this man? Its for the public good. 100 babies?
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: 1stimer]
#4401920 - 07/13/05 11:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's what you sign up for as a cop.... you put yourself in harm's way... same shit with the army.
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: BrAiN]
#4402007 - 07/14/05 12:05 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The terrorists arent at fault for their actions because blowing up buildings is what they signed up for.
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Re: LAPD murders baby girl... [Re: 1stimer]
#4402017 - 07/14/05 12:09 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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1stimer said: The cops could have used snipers or non lethal ways of detaining the man.
Your under the assumption that a sniper can be used in EVERY situation. This proves your ignorence in the matter.
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How many people were worth killing to kill this man? just this baby or what if he had 2 or 3. would it be worth killing 10 babies to stop this man? Its for the public good. 100 babies?
You're forgetting the GRAVE DANGER this man presented to the public, and the child he was using as a shield.
You're trying to blame the cops for this guys insane actions.
If this guy shot the child and others, then you would be whining about the cops NOT taking any action.
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