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Peeks of Samadhi
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Dear friends of the shroomery:

According to many researchers, psilocibin/psilocin seems to have an effect on the pituatary similar to those experienced through DMT/tryptamine onsets to other worldly states of consciousness. Can it be possible then, that with proper spiritual setting, training in the ability to focus through quiet meditation, understanding the role of subtle energies like what the ancient Indians call Pranayama, the chinese call 'chi', the japanese call 'ki', and the persians called 'rho', and some knowledge of the occult, that one may be able to use the shroom experience to reach what many pilgrams the world history over have sought after... the state of 'enlightenment', 'samadhi', 'nirvana'.. that which has many names but one destination... the elusive at oneness with cosmic everything and dissolution of the ego, and bringing that calm centered awareness back into the daily sober conscious?

Any thoughts/comments are curiously appreciated...

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: _tenshi_]
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It certainly wouldn't hinder the process!
You have been identified

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: _tenshi_]
    #439116 -

Bingo...

Now go dose yourself and get into some Tarot meditation and tell me what you come up with...


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To do a thing and know no better is ignorance.
It is an act of kindness to educate the ignorant.
To do a wrong thing intentionally, is evil and wicked.





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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: ]
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I guess there may not be too many people that are seeking the type of thing that I'm seeking on my path... but I believe that it is possible through thorough devotion and dedication to the spiritual path, that there is a way possible to fully tap into all of one's psi powers including telepathy, telekinesis, total control of universal energy to create miracles and the like. As a serious aspirant with entheogens, psilocibin seems to help one connect to the super-conscious, or god state, and as Level 5 on this site describes, a glimpse of 'satori' or complete ego-dissolution... beyond even the universal matrix itself... could it be possible that whilest we are there... that we can reprogram our own beings and physiologies so that we can re-hardwire our DNA and our etheric bodies to allow for the Jesus/Krishna/Mohammed/Avatar experience, as an example, as a minority group on this planet, for the next step in human evolution... the splintering off of the homo-sapien species to homo-noeticus (or homo-novus) stock?

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: _tenshi_]
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Timothy Leary had much to say about reprogramming with chemicals....have you read anything by him?

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: _tenshi_]
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heading in the right direction
it seems to be a fast route, and not the safest, sometimes feels like 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
i believe one needs a framework, a matrix, to interpret the experiences and to understand the visions as initiations, as lessons. for me tarot works very nicely but whatever suits you is best.
i think many would agree that a syrian rue/shroom combo is the best way to know thyself. although cant knock the dpt.
i doubt you will develop messiah-like qualities in this lifetime, but you wont waste your time by trying.
dont forget to enjoy the beautiful scenery along the way.
regards

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: mr crisper]
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Freeky.

I accidentally hit the wrong button and this thread popped up. We have been thinking about Paramahansa and this happened. Medicinebags' Belive it or Not.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: medicinebag]
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Well since this thread appeard, unexpectantly, I must address it.

I have read in Autobiography of a Yogi the accounts of his Teacher Sri Yukteswar, transmitting information without words to him, the disciple. I have also read many accounts about "shamans" in south america doing the exact same thing, during their Ayahuasca cerimonies. DMT resides in the pineal gland. Meditation is a way to cultivate ones "flowers/lotus/" into realeasing DMT/Serotonin/Norepinephrene/Endorphins/ect.. I believe the methodologies of the Eastern meditations were firts discovered via the power plants. I believe it was the Plants who were the first Gurus/teachers. Samadhi is the release of oneself, voluntarily, from the body. I believe DMT is the cause for both accounts. The transmision of information and the release of ones mind/soul/spirt. Anyone else think so?

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: medicinebag]
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the transmission of information FROM....?
  ...the unconscious?
      ...God?
          ...Where did THIS information originate from?
Infinite evolution up? or...expansion out?
God blinding self to death boredom of eternity?
novelty? boredom? novelty? blah? blahblah? blahblahblah?
Interesting synchronies abound. 
:lol: 

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: Elvish]
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I truly do not know where universal information springs. Like the mushrooms of old, "they come forth, from whence we know not". Mazatec.


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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: medicinebag]
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I think some of the drug states basically are the same as many spirtual states, but a drug forces you to go there, it shows you the truth before you are ready, or it shows you lies, and makes you believe they are true, often a lil of both probably. I have experienced what can only be described as kensho or satori experiences both on drugs and through meditation, and i have seen trippier things meditating then i have on any drug. Did i experience a moment of enlightenment? am i enlightened? I honestly have no idea, and i honestly thing that is a good thing. If you proceed with meditation and similar practices then you only go as far as your ready to go. This probably would explain the seeming gap between the ability of a typical ethnogen user and someone who meditates or something, to integrate those experiences more fully into everyday life. Also even in meditation you can experience states of false enlightenment, and such that lead to narcisism and other failings. There are many pitfalls on the path, the reason many do not walk it is probably because it can be scary as hell, and one wrong step can basically ruin you and your life, or even the lives around you. its cliche but "the price of freedom"(in this case from suffering) is "eternal vigilance". The scariest thing is often the truth, and you can never know if your ready for it, until you experience it, and even then it is wise to be skeptical of yourself.
Sincerely,
That which is, and has no choice but to be

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: ZenGecko]
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What I have found is that psychadelics are a turbo boost. Wherever you are at before you take them, they take you and show you what is ahead. I have found that they give me a taste of what is ahead of me so then I have some idea of what it is that I am working towards, and then I can better work towards it.

It is sort of hard to come from a trip with all sorts of insight and then like instantly use it in your life. When you have an experience like that, it is so different from what you are used to, and your normal state of minds and the thoughts you push around sober have so much more experience and draw a lot of water as far as your mind is concerned.

The best way I have found to work towards higher consciousness, for me at least, is to have these psychadelic experiences and see what is ahead of me, and then slowly take those insights and gradually integrate them into my normal, sober life.

Basically what I have are a lot of related thoughts that I have always been pushing along. After dealing with them for so long, they start to have experiences attached and get feelings wrapped up and they start to develop into something more.

I mean, back sometime I was smoking some pot or something, playing bass guitar and just thinking about things. And some sort of thought, just one thought that I discovered then, it has been pushed around for some time now. It has had additional thoughts and like actual experiences and feelings included and networked to it, and it has made connections to other collections of thoughts.

What happened on my E roll is that all of these collections of thoughts like fell into one pile and instantly started connecting to each other. Everything was developed together and basically formed an entire state of mind. My mind is so much different now, about a week since.

It all starts with one thought. One random thought here and one random thought there. As long as you take an active stance on like forming these thoughts into ideas, collections, and as long as you keep an open mind and don't make too many assumptions, except the big ones that like need to be made for us to know that we are even alive, :grin:, than I'm sure you will do fine.
Peace. 


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: fireworks_god]
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I dunno if it would be the same on drugs though. a lot of times living in a society that demands a whole lot of attention (not to mention capitalism!!) we forget what acutally is.  how do you know that the experience you had on drugs would be the same while you're sober?  I don't think we could. instead we can use drugs to act (as fireworks said) "a boost" or as PDU has said "a catalyst."  a reminder if you will of what could be. 


I believe we base a lot on judgement.  we make comparisons. how can you know what REAL enlightenment is? the only way is to compare when you're not. here you'd be using judgement and continue the "internal dialogue" which to me is the loss of true clarity in mindset.



you say you're searching to "gain" powers?  why would you want to do that? create miracles?  why?  you want to save something? it's all about perspective, a miracle to you or a "good deed" may only be "good" to you and others, but not everyone.

why reprogram yourself so quickly?  why would you even want to?  why would you want to change now?  I mean we can change, but you're talking about super-natural stuff here. if you want change something without using what you ahve now (powers wise) then why try to change it another way? 

I'm not degrading anything you said, nor am I tyring to put a negative aspect on it, just curious of what you think that's all :smile:   


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: kaiowas]
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Don't compare it to the same as on drugs. I am stating that I think it is very plausable that it was power plants, like soma, that taught them how to meditate to reach the same places and go beyond. Just a thought I have no articles to back it up. Since plants are older than man, I believe it was the plants that showed man the first steps to a Divinity.

Edit: I didn't have any articles presently to back it up. I have read others works and made the same conclusions. It's a feeling, a feeling that this is true.

Edited by medicinebag (11/23/03 01:53 AM)

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: medicinebag]
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"Since plants are older than man, I believe it was the plants that showed man the first steps to a Divinity. "

hmmm quite the, ah, leap there.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: Mixomatosis]
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ya know?? where's that middle part that shows how the plants shows divinity to human? what would age have to do with it. what certain plants show people divinity? and even if there are these plants, how did people know to ingest them in the first place. what was divinity to them??


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: Mixomatosis]
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What you think I am the only one to think this? I am not the only one that believes that hallucinagenic plants were the cause of mans awakening.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: medicinebag]
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medicinebag said:
What you think I am the only one to think this?


Alot of people agreed with hitler, is that an acceptable argument for anti-semitism?

no, no it is not.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: medicinebag]
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I'm not saying that, that is neither here nor there.  I just want to see if you can explain why?  you make a statement, explaining your thinking doesn't hurt, does it?  it'll be more educational for you and for me.  the more info the better, right?

even if you aren't the only one, does it make this idea of plant evolution correct or not? however many people who believe has nothing to do with the truth of the belief.  it's says nothing about the validity of your argument. 

I'm not criticising you jsut want to know what you mean that's all :smile:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: Mixomatosis]
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Mixomatosis said:
medicinebag said:
What you think I am the only one to think this?


Alot of people agreed with hitler, is that an acceptable argument for anti-semitism?

no, no it is not.


What the fuck does Hitler have to do with enlightenment? I do not see where you are going on that one.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: medicinebag]
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he's not saying anything about hitler with enlightenment. jsut used your argument against you. since you said "do you think I'm the only one who believes this" as if the number of people who believed in it determes if your statement was valid or not. hence he asked does the number of people who followed hitler make any argument for or against anit-semitism correct?

and of course it doesn't


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: kaiowas]
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sorry,

Your right. Just becuase a bunch of people believe something doesn't make it true. I wasn't saying that. I said I am not the only one just to clarify. I didn't think it up on my own. Mckenna,for instance thought so, Wasson thought so. I am sure allot of people think so. later.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: medicinebag]
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no need to apologize man!!!!!!! you did nothing wrong!!! :smile:


why not explain your ideas further though???  I bet it would make for a very good read.  site sources even.  I can say for sure that most of the stuff I know is what I learned, and it was here before I was.  most thoughts aren't my own, but I sure can expand on them!!!  and it is those thoughts that are mine.  this to me is the essence of learning  :smile:



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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: kaiowas]
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I have experienced samadhi on psychedelics, and I am also striving for oneness.

You might want to read "Be Here Now" by Ram Dass


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i am another you

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: jiva]
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would you like to explain?? I'll check out the book though...

I guess people don't see what I'm tryiong to say. surey ou say you feel a certain way on psychedelics, great. EXPAND on it. put in more thoughts. the more you put in the morey ou get ot of it. yes???


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Peeks of Samadhi [Re: kaiowas]
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kaiowas said:
I guess people don't see what I'm tryiong to say.  surey ou say you feel a certain way on psychedelics, great.  EXPAND on it.  put in more thoughts.  the more you put in the morey ou get ot of it.  yes??? 


Ja. We experience certain feelings and we push around various collections of thoughts while on psychadelics. One can gradually bring these feelings and these thoughts into mind while sober and can start to get the psychadelic state of mind. At first it isn't going to be as near as strong as an actual psychadelic experience itself, but at least you are starting to become aware of these feelings and thoughts in your day to day, sober life.

This is what the climb towards higher consciousness is ALL about. You don't need to do it with psychadelics, sure. However, I think getting a taste of exactly what it is that you are working towards, so you know what it is that you are working towards is definitely a good thing.

I mean, imagine what it is like when you smoke some bowls, the feelings, the awareness. If you gradually integrate that into your daily, sober life (because you just can't change your normal state of mind automatically, unless you have incredible strength of mind and it is like your dying wish or something), and that awareness, those feelings, where what you normally experience day to day.... then imagine what it will be like the next time you get all baked.  :grin:

It's all about the  :mushroom2:, my friends.
Peace. 


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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