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 your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms 
#4385407 - 07/08/05 10:00 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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i mean do you think psychedelics just occured by chance in a completely random reality or that they are part of say a self organizing principle of a greater reality/intelligence/existance with their function being something like to reset human minds like a sort of bug fix? or some other theory of how they fit in? for those who believe in God do you believe he created them and if so for what purpose?
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Deviate]
#4385430 - 07/08/05 10:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Golly Gee! I'm just not sure anymore. I use to have an opinion on this until it came up in so many threads. Now I've forgotten what I thought it was.  
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Deviate]
#4385628 - 07/08/05 11:31 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is no accident. These compounds repel insects and protect the organism.
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4385674 - 07/08/05 11:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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they let you see the voice of god
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: crunchytoast]
#4385787 - 07/09/05 12:46 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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They are just another of the many hallucinogens. Their activity is comparable to other hallucingens. I do value the mental state that they create, but once I passed the 500 trip mark years ago I ceased to have truck with "out there" theories. They merely afect neurotransmitter levels in the brain.
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4385900 - 07/09/05 01:47 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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personally i dont think the ability to affect brain chem is mundane
it's like somehow divinity isn't an aspect of reality if you look at things in terms of neurotransmitters
i dont get that 
for one thing,
if one defines god as existence, or whatever, then
you cant have brain chem without god, or god without brain chem
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Deviate]
#4385905 - 07/09/05 01:51 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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i mean do you think psychedelics just occured by chance in a completely random reality or that they are part of say a self organizing principle of a greater reality/intelligence/existance with their function being something like to reset human minds like a sort of bug fix
IMO completely random reality = self-organizing principle of a greater reality/intelligence/existence
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: crunchytoast]
#4386038 - 07/09/05 03:18 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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God was all like, hey bitches, I'm not gonna talk to you people personally, but guess what, I'm gonna trip some fungus the fuck out, and when you niggas eat them shits, youll come to know me. Hey, makes perfect sense to me.
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: TheCow]
#4386227 - 07/09/05 07:01 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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As good a guess as any. 
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Deviate]
#4386361 - 07/09/05 09:16 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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poison! :P
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: TheCow]
#4386578 - 07/09/05 10:55 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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just affect the neurotransmitters? obviously they affect neurotransmitters, but dont you find it a bit odd that there just happens to be compounds that affect the brain in such an odd way? i mean if those chemicals were just a little different and the receptors in our brain were just a little different, it wouldn't work. similarly they have to be able to cross the blood brain barrier and all that crap and furthermore isn't it another odd coincidence that they seem to occur in plants which are for the most part physically safe? if psilocybin or mescaline occured in some plant that could not be consumed by humans it wouldn't work.
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God was all like, hey bitches, I'm not gonna talk to you people personally, but guess what, I'm gonna trip some fungus the fuck out, and when you niggas eat them shits, youll come to know me. Hey, makes perfect sense to me.
or maybe he left the mushrooms for those who couldn't hear him speaking personally.
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Deviate]
#4386614 - 07/09/05 11:10 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Deviate said:
just affect the neurotransmitters? obviously they affect neurotransmitters, but dont you find it a bit odd that there just happens to be compounds that affect the brain in such an odd way?
Not really, considering there is a corncucopia of other compounds that affect the brain in their own manner. I don't understand how it could be seen as "an odd way", considering that it is a natural process... It would be odd if it produced effects that we do not understand the nature of. Or something. 
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i mean if those chemicals were just a little different and the receptors in our brain were just a little different, it wouldn't work.
If any chemical or any variable in the universe was just a little different, than the universe wouldn't work as it does now, either. I don't understand what this line of thought does for your point. 
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similarly they have to be able to cross the blood brain barrier and all that crap and furthermore isn't it another odd coincidence that they seem to occur in plants which are for the most part physically safe? if psilocybin or mescaline occured in some plant that could not be consumed by humans it wouldn't work.
Isn't it an odd coincidence that corn evolved in such a way to provide for the sustenance of people and other animals? Isn't it an odd coincidence that a wide variety of medicines are contained in the tropical rain forest? Nature is quite the amazing state of existance, isn't it an odd coincidence that creatures in the deep depths of the oceans glow as a result of there being a complete absence of sunlight?
 
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: fireworks_god]
#4386623 - 07/09/05 11:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes, and i think all these "coincidences" signal the existance of levels of intelligense or synchronicity.
". I don't understand how it could be seen as "an odd way", considering that it is a natural process... It would be odd if it produced effects that we do not understand the nature of. Or something.
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what is the nature of the mushrooms affects?
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Deviate]
#4386777 - 07/09/05 12:27 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Deviate said:
yes, and i think all these "coincidences" signal the existance of levels of intelligense or synchronicity.
I disagree, I think you come to the conclusion based on the very bias that you are a state of existance with a level of intelligence. You see the world and interpret and define it through your own perspective, obviously your interpretation is going to resemble your frame of perspective.
The only thing these "coincidences" point towards is a very well-balanced, interactive, dynamic system of variables that rely on each other and relate to each other. When one plant uses this gas and, as a result of its usage, produce this other gas, and this animal uses that gas and, as a result, produces the first gas that the plant uses, and then you add in trillions and trillions and trillions of other variables in this universe that are in relationships with every other variable, it is quite easy to see how such complex phenomenon come into being. 
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what is the nature of the mushrooms affects?
Shifts in one's direct experience of reality as a result of specific areas of the brain being triggered mental programming that plays an integral part in shaping and defining our experience become incredibly altered, as these distinct areas of the brain are tweaked... I do not claim to know the specifics of the brain chemistry and subsequent effects, but that certainly seems to be the jist of it. 
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Icelander]
#4386795 - 07/09/05 12:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Golly Gee! I'm just not sure anymore. I use to have an opinion on this until it came up in so many threads. Now I've forgotten what I thought it was.
OK, I remember I don't know what, why , or if. But I do know from experience that they have been an instrument of rapid positive change in my life. 
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Icelander]
#4386874 - 07/09/05 01:15 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't know how well it works as pest control.. Gnats and slugs sure don't seem to mind eating the myc, the fruit etc.. And they end up destroying the fruit before it can sporulate a lot of the time, so if it evolved just to chase off pests, it sure did a piss-poor job.. It should've been more like citronella.
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: fireworks_god]
#4387218 - 07/09/05 03:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Icelander]
#4387592 - 07/09/05 06:10 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
OK, I remember I don't know what, why , or if. But I do know from experience that they have been an instrument of rapid positive change in my life.
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Ego Death]
#4387593 - 07/09/05 06:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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egoanswer
Ha damn, I was going to make a post very similar to this.
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Re: your ideas on the very existance of magical mushrooms [Re: Deviate]
#4388198 - 07/09/05 10:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Psychedelics are the sound mushrooms make when they slurp."
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