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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4339382 - 06/26/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Saying that you arrested more people than the last guy is just political chest thumping. They all try to one-up each other in one way or the other.


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Re: When people say [Re: niteowl]
    #4340772 - 06/26/05 10:24 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

That's exactly what you said earlier, and by saying it in that way your insinuating that the Clinton administration were consciously targeting potheads. Which is untrue. Of course there are going to be more and more arrests on drug users. The population is increasing.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4340903 - 06/26/05 11:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

That applies to most administrations then. I don't see the Bush administration "intentionally" targetting potheads anymore than the Clinton administration, but since the arrests are going on under their leadership we use them for reference.


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Re: When people say [Re: Ravus]
    #4340908 - 06/26/05 11:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Not true, the bush appointed drug czar has been delibratley targetting headshops and medical marijuana patients for prosecution.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4342253 - 06/27/05 08:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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That's exactly what you said earlier, and by saying it in that way your insinuating that the Clinton administration were consciously targeting potheads. Which is untrue. Of course there are going to be more and more arrests on drug users. The population is increasing.





Im not saying that Clinton target anyone, just that he used the numbers to appear tougher/better than the last president. He didnt have to do anything different than the last guy he just presented the numbers in a way that was favorable to him.

It is the same thing that every other president has done.


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Re: When people say [Re: niteowl]
    #4368901 - 07/04/05 08:04 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

In what way did he manipulate them to appear like he was being tougher?? I have never seen one news article following the clinton administration saying anything to that effect whatsoever. Where did he use these numbers to make this claim??


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4369387 - 07/04/05 12:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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In what way did he manipulate them to appear like he was being tougher??





I never said that Clinton manipulated the numbers.

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niteowl said:
When you said that Clinton's administration arrested more people, it sounds like your saying that they had something to do with the number of arrests, when they clearly didn't.

Each year there are more and more people being arrested for drug use.......that statistic has nothing to do with who is sitting in the Oval Office at the time.......so your statement that "more people were arrested for pot under Clinton" is irrelevant.




Just that the drug war people say that "Clinton arrested more pot users than the last president."
This is a fact, but had NOTHING to do with the Clinton administration being tougher on drugs that Bush Sr.

Arrests have gone up each year, regardless of what president was in office.


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Re: When people say [Re: niteowl]
    #4386129 - 07/09/05 05:07 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Im not saying that Clinton target anyone, just that he used the numbers to appear tougher/better than the last president. He didnt have to do anything different than the last guy he just presented the numbers in a way that was favorable to him.

It is the same thing that every other president has done.





Okay, so then how, AND where are you getting information that he was using those numers to APPEAR tougher. He definatley did nothing of the sort.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4386337 - 07/09/05 09:02 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I was watching some news program during the election and someone was campaigning for Clinton. I don't remember the guys name, who was speaking for  the Clinton camp. He was a little, young guy with glasses :shrug:
The discussion got around to the Drug War. Clinton's spokesperson pointed to the "fact" that there were x number more arrests during the Clinton presidency than during Bushes presidency. Then quickly changed the subject to the economy.

Every president, has tried to make himself look better than the other guy, by any means possible. If they get questioned on the "War on Drugs" they will regurgitate numbers to make them look better

This is just a fact of the political world. Not saying nothing bad about Clinton, we were born in the same town.


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