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i mean do you think psychedelics just occured by chance in a completely random reality or that they are part of say a self organizing principle of a greater reality/intelligence/existance with their function being something like to reset human minds like a sort of bug fix

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TheCow said:
God was all like, hey bitches, I'm not gonna talk to you people personally, but guess what, I'm gonna trip some fungus the fuck out, and when you niggas eat them shits, youll come to know me. Hey, makes perfect sense to me.

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Deviate said:
just affect the neurotransmitters? obviously they affect neurotransmitters, but dont you find it a bit odd that there just happens to be compounds that affect the brain in such an odd way?

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Not really, considering there is a corncucopia of other compounds that affect the brain in their own manner. I don't understand how it could be seen as "an odd way", considering that it is a natural process... It would be odd if it produced effects that we do not understand the nature of. Or something.

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i mean if those chemicals were just a little different and the receptors in our brain were just a little different, it wouldn't work.

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If any chemical or any variable in the universe was just a little different, than the universe wouldn't work as it does now, either. I don't understand what this line of thought does for your point.

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similarly they have to be able to cross the blood brain barrier and all that crap and furthermore isn't it another odd coincidence that they seem to occur in plants which are for the most part physically safe? if psilocybin or mescaline occured in some plant that could not be consumed by humans it wouldn't work.

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Isn't it an odd coincidence that corn evolved in such a way to provide for the sustenance of people and other animals? Isn't it an odd coincidence that a wide variety of medicines are contained in the tropical rain forest? Nature is quite the amazing state of existance, isn't it an odd coincidence that creatures in the deep depths of the oceans glow as a result of there being a complete absence of sunlight?


Peace.

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Deviate said:
yes, and i think all these "coincidences" signal the existance of levels of intelligense or synchronicity.

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I disagree, I think you come to the conclusion based on the very bias that you are a state of existance with a level of intelligence. You see the world and interpret and define it through your own perspective, obviously your interpretation is going to resemble your frame of perspective.

The only thing these "coincidences" point towards is a very well-balanced, interactive, dynamic system of variables that rely on each other and relate to each other. When one plant uses this gas and, as a result of its usage, produce this other gas, and this animal uses that gas and, as a result, produces the first gas that the plant uses, and then you add in trillions and trillions and trillions of other variables in this universe that are in relationships with every other variable, it is quite easy to see how such complex phenomenon come into being.

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what is the nature of the mushrooms affects?

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Shifts in one's direct experience of reality as a result of specific areas of the brain being triggered mental programming that plays an integral part in shaping and defining our experience become incredibly altered, as these distinct areas of the brain are tweaked... I do not claim to know the specifics of the brain chemistry and subsequent effects, but that certainly seems to be the jist of it.


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Icelander said:
Golly Gee! I'm just not sure anymore. I use to have an opinion on this until it came up in so many threads. Now I've forgotten what I thought it was.

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OK, I remember   I don't know what, why , or if.  But I do know from experience that they have been an instrument of rapid positive change in my life.   

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Icelander said:

OK, I remember   I don't know what, why , or if.  But I do know from experience that they have been an instrument of rapid positive change in my life.   

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danoEoboy said:

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danoEoboy said:

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The retort of one who is ill-equipped to actually address the points brought forth for discussion by myself. It was egotistical of you to think that we need benefit from your social commentary in a thread that is not involving social commentary as its focus of debate.

I do believe that qualifies as you having gone off-topic.


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Deviate said:
i mean do you think psychedelics just occured by chance in a completely random reality or that they are part of say a self organizing principle of a greater reality/intelligence/existance with their function being something like to reset human minds like a sort of bug fix? or some other theory of how they fit in? for those who believe in God do you believe he created them and if so for what purpose?

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danoEoboy said:
Do I look like I care - u retarded bigot

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MarkostheGnostic said: 'a man and a mushroom can get together and both can become far more than they were individually.'

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Or, along similar lines, a mushroom is basically a fruiting sex organ.  A human is basically a highly complex sex organ. In either case the continued spread of the genetic material overrides any particular control or set of conditions related to thought, philosophy, knowledge or any other 'gray matter' produced instructions. Ie., we are peripatetic sexual organs which revel in our own self created sense of uniqueness. Which itself has the consequence that we seek out others which produces a greater and more varied gene pool. Ie., our seeming egoic isolation has the effect to propel us to greater lengths to copulate thus ensuring the maximun niche power for the basic DNA which is what we really are at base level.

We and mushrooms are similar. In Ayurveda the brain is considered bone marrow, called majja, the sixth dhatu, one step removed from shukra, or sperm and ovum, the final dhatu or tissue, and the most developed product of digestion. Ie., sperm and ovum in Ayurveda re considered more evolved tissues even than the brain and nervous system.

One can tune into the eros of life through mushrooms.  Ostensibly one ingests them not to experience what Sasha Shulgen called the urge for death or thanatos, but rather the reverse, the mentally connecting and awareness opening experience of eros or love of life. For the experience of thanatos one would presumably ingest such emotion deadening drugs as Xanax, the drug par excellence for those subtle and disturbing emotions and thoughts that are part of the human condition.

My take on shrooms is that we and shrooms share more in common that most people think based as we humans are in the egoic sense of being better than everything else around us. And yet, are we truely better than a simple sexual organ such as a mushroom?  Not from the point of view of the Earth, our real mother, who holds dear all her creatures. 

Now the real question is not the similarity of mushrooms and humans as both being sexual organs of various obvious or devious means for copulating, no, the real question is why psilocyben and why does it effect humans. 

I have a take on this, and it is my take on every form of diverse species of life on earth, and that is, we exist to be aware. That's it!  Aware of what exactly?  Aware of everything.  And so a niche exists on this planet in fire, water, earth, air and space with some creature or plant coexisting in that niche, for the mere sake of awareness.  We are ultimately mirrors of the base of life as itself being self reflective, and this self reflection is what makes us chaotically fractal, because coherence and chaos co-exist as one. No other means could produce a panoply of universal extremes that we daily encounter.

And so the mushroom has developed its supremely aware king - the psilocyben mushroom. From the base of awareness the less sentient mushroom fruiting sex organ through diversity of the genetic material came to know itself more and more familiarly until it became sentient at a higher power, that power is one that is so functional that we humans can partake of that self awareness as a sacrament which makes us also more self aware. 

It shouldn't be a mystery that such plants, animals, and chemicals in our own brains and bodies exists.  And if humans don't destroy themselves and radiate the planets surface then it is just a matter of time before any species becomes self aware thus becoming the microscope and telescope of existance into its own nature.

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Deviate said:
i mean do you think psychedelics just occured by chance in a completely random reality or that they are part of say a self organizing principle of a greater reality/intelligence/existance with their function being something like to reset human minds like a sort of bug fix? or some other theory of how they fit in? for those who believe in God do you believe he created them and if so for what purpose?

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Rono said:
Mushroom spores are the only organism that can survive in the vaccuum of space...and from what I understand, their design even allows the spores to propel themselves in space using light from stars.  having said that, there are a few people that say that mushrooms came from somewhere besides earth...and could very well be responsible for life as we know it on this planet....which from a philosophical point of view would explain our "close" feeling to the cosmos when tripping.  I dunno...just a thought.

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I always got a kick out of that...the thought of psilocybe mushrooms spores floating through space and seeding the planets across many solar systems...

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Swami said:
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Before mushrooms: the carpet was still.

During mushrooms: the carpet flowed like a river into into the walls.

After mushrooms: the carpet was still.

And I was flowing.

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Swami said:
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Before mushrooms: the carpet was still.

During mushrooms: the carpet flowed like a river into into the walls.

After mushrooms: the carpet was still.

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Saying something is "sure" does not make it so. Much of the "knowledge" presented by McKenna and Leary was total nonsense.

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Please present some knowledge that could only come from mushroom usage.

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