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OfflineRealnuggetz
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questions about the 50/50 tek
    #4382845 - 07/08/05 05:43 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

So, I cannot seem to find any hydrated lyme or oyster shells. Somebody said I could use baking soda, but I dont know how much... Can I just case with peat/verm if it is sterilized? What'll happen?


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: Realnuggetz]
    #4382847 - 07/08/05 05:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbdown: :rolleyes: Baking soda will kil myc.


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: agar]
    #4382855 - 07/08/05 05:58 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

If you get canadian sphagnum peat you most likely won't even need a buffer.

Hydrated lime on the other hand can be found practically anywhere, I get mine at True Value.


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: kronnyQ]
    #4382858 - 07/08/05 05:59 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Can NaOH be used? I saw it mentioned in TMC for adjusting agar ph levels. It would not be a buffer though.


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: Realnuggetz]
    #4383514 - 07/08/05 12:48 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

go to home depot or lowes, i know lowes definitely has it. It's sold in a sack like flour or sugar.


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: soochi]
    #4388712 - 07/10/05 02:41 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

does the special S hydrated lime from home depot in the construction section work or does it have to much magnesium... i cant remember if it said dolomitic or not.... i am also having problems finding this stuff... i've been looking for limestone flour and limestone grit though but the garden centers i called didnt carry even the lime they use for ph buffering... home depot didnt have it either... does just plain old lime work?


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: fungophiliac]
    #4388924 - 07/10/05 04:06 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I still don't have a clue why Ryche is recommending hydrated lime. It's totally crazy. I've done pH probe measurements of his recommendations and they are so far off it's not even funny. His mix comes up with a pH of about 10 or 11, enough to burn any mycelium. Of course the stuff goes back to calcium carbonate in a few days and the pH would lower back down, but it is terrible for the short term.

Hydrated lime reacts super quickly and will shoot the pH through the roof at the amount he's suggesting. It's been said that hydrated lime is 136% the acid neutralizing strength of calcium carbonate. That's true except that it reacts orders of magnitude faster than calcium carbonate. That's a big deal. After all what's the difference between a camp fire and a bomb? Reaction time, NOT total energy generated. How fast makes a big difference.

I would recommend only using calcium carbonate limes. Crushed oyster shell flour or ground limestone works well. It's also what is recommended by all mycologists I know. I have never heard of anyone recommending hydrated lime for anything in mycology except pasteurization of straw via a lime bath. Once the straw is removed from the bath, the pH is sky high but falls quickly as the hydrated lime reacts with the CO2 in the air and turns to calcium carbonate.


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: Blue Helix]
    #4389258 - 07/10/05 09:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i can't find either anywhere...not lowe's not home depot not walmart not target not petstores, etc. no crushed oyster shell ANYWHERE

im in phoenix, az


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: myndreach]
    #4389406 - 07/10/05 11:30 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

is there any pet/feed stores around myndreach(i get mine from a store called agway not sure if there a big chain store or not).. the crushed oystershells are used as bird feed.. were i get mine its used in chicken feed.. i think it helps them digest or something like that.. so try a feed store, hope you find some:)


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #4389435 - 07/10/05 11:51 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

there are plenty of pet stores, petco, petsmart, etc. haven't found any crushed oyster shell...


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: Realnuggetz]
    #4389460 - 07/10/05 12:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

What about low PH modifiers like sulfer, or anti bacterial hand soap? Has anyone experimented with these?

I find this interesting because I am about to case and also do not have any lime.


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: Realnuggetz]
    #4389547 - 07/10/05 01:09 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Replied to wrong person


Edited by Blue Helix (07/10/05 01:10 PM)


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: myndreach]
    #4389549 - 07/10/05 01:10 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It IS there, and you haven't looked hard enough. I decided to use my free long distance weekend calls and just give a couple nuseries a ring. The FIRST TWO I CALLED carried it:

Tatum SummerWinds
17826 N. Tatum Blvd., Phoenix, AZ
(602)867-1822

West Bell SummerWinds
6426 W. Bell Rd., Glendale, AZ
(623)979-5296

Both have hydrated lime.

For finding the real good stuff, regular calcium carbonate, have you tried (http://www.brewersconnection.com/)?

Brewers Connection
(480) 449-3720
1425 E University Dr # B103
Tempe, AZ

I think you need to get the phone out and try to use it.


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Re: questions about the 50/50 tek [Re: Blue Helix]
    #4389580 - 07/10/05 01:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

>i can't find either anywhere...not lowe's not home depot not walmart not target not petstores, etc. no crushed oyster shell ANYWHERE

Because your only looking for "crushed oyster shell". At Home Depot its called "pulverized limestone". Walmart too, maybe powdered or crushed, dont remember, I REALLY like the pulverized stuff though...its almost just as good as straight calcium carbonate..and besides all that, oystershells can be ordered online...small amounts:

http://www.kkorchid.com/1medium_potting.asp

Big bags:

http://www.groworganic.com/item_F1850_OystershellLime50Lb.html?pOrigRef=

Its only 2 bucks for 50 pounds at HD though...


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