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OfflineSilkSteel
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Need help IDing these SBMs please
    #4381876 - 07/08/05 12:38 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys. First time posting here, so I decided to be as detailed as I could be to aid you guys in IDing these mushrooms. I've searched all across the internet and have yet to come across mushrooms shaped like these guys. I live in South-Eastern Pennsylvania btw.

I found these guys in my front lawn. Its a very grassy lawn and hasn't been cut in a little bit - probably why I found these mushrooms still growing there. Some were found growing solitary, while others were in groups of 3 or 4. I collected what I thought to be adult samples, along with one younger one.

It appears that the younger ones have convex caps with little nipple-like dimples in the middle, while the adults turn into almost flat-headed caps, with the dimple still present but not as apparent. They are light brown and uniform in color ? no differently shaded ring around the outside.

The gills are light brown in color and drop down below the cap. They are visible from the side because the cap grows to become flat and does not form a bell-shape.

The stem appears to be flimsy and hollow. It is light-brown in color, while some areas are shaded slightly darker brown. In general, they are quite thin and the texture is that of paper.

The spore print came out to be dark, rusty brown ? almost a light purple. I?m doing a new spore print now because the sample I used from the other day was from a young specimen.

The mushroom does not turn colors when bruised, and also does not have any distinctive smell.

PICS:
Overall pic. You can see the color of the spores that fell off immediately after I picked them and onto the paper towel near the top-middle of the picture.




Without flash:


Came out kinda blurry, but I just wanted to show the general shape of the cap:


Showing dimples on caps:


Showing gills:


Showing the base:


Clearer picture of the caps, you can see some of the spores that dropped off one of the caps and onto the cap it overlapped:


Clearer picture:


Another clearer, overall picture:


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Re: Need help IDing these SBMs please [Re: SilkSteel]
    #4382320 - 07/08/05 02:40 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.mushroomjohn.com/lookalikes/lookalikes10.jpg

It may be Galerina venenata,

or it may be

Psilocybe Azurescens

http://www.erowid.org/plants/show_image.php?i=mushrooms/images/archive/psilocybe_azurescens4.jpg

The only difference i can see is that middle ring. I really cant get a positive ID. check

www.mycokey.com


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Re: Need help IDing these SBMs please [Re: SilkSteel]
    #4382383 - 07/08/05 02:57 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

They just look like Agrocybes to me, nothing of interest...could be poisonous. Not quite sure what you mean about the spore print color. Might be a good idea to let them print for a while so that it can be nice and thick.


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Re: Need help IDing these SBMs please [Re: eris]
    #4382480 - 07/08/05 03:24 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm..
To me, it most resembles the Psilocybe Azurescens - due to the little nipple on the cap.

Plus, the stems dont have any rings.. they just go straight down, so it doesn't appear to be a Galerina venenata.

It does look very similar to the Agrocybe Pediades however... hmm hmm.

Thanks for the help so far guys.. keep it coming. :smile:


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Re: Need help IDing these SBMs please [Re: SilkSteel]
    #4382862 - 07/08/05 06:07 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm no expert, but I think it's pretty safe to say that those are not Psilocybe azurescens.


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Re: Need help IDing these SBMs please [Re: strun9x0ut]
    #4382924 - 07/08/05 07:19 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I have seen a lot of those (look very similar) on wood chips in australia.

The agrocybe pediades seem to resemble them, but all the pictures have the convex cap, and not the flat one like in your pic.  Maybe it's just the age of the mushroom.
http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Agrocybe_pediades.html
http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/gallery/DisplayBlock~bid~5509~gid~.asp
Hmm, these don't mention woodchips though, just lawns...  meh.

Excellent pics by the way.  :thumbup:


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Re: Need help IDing these SBMs please [Re: locolotophagi]
    #4383459 - 07/08/05 12:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

locolotophagi said:
http://www.mushroomjohn.com/lookalikes/lookalikes10.jpg

It may be Galerina venenata,

or it may be

Psilocybe Azurescens

http://www.erowid.org/plants/show_image.php?i=mushrooms/images/archive/psilocybe_azurescens4.jpg

The only difference i can see is that middle ring. I really cant get a positive ID. check

www.mycokey.com




not to be mean because you appear to have good intentions. but i am very sure that he will find either of these mushrooms in his area of the country. i also don't find a very positive correlation between those mushrooms and the ones that he has posted.
the mushrooms posted are certainly inactive, if thats what you were hoping for, but i know more about what they aren't then what they are.


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Re: Need help IDing these SBMs please [Re: SilkSteel]
    #4383481 - 07/08/05 12:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Just by looks alone, it is obvious that they are nothing that belongs to the psilocybe genus, let alone the species azurescens. Sorry to sound harsh but it's not even close.
Besides, not only do they not look like them, azurescens are in the pnw, not on the east. This isn't the right time of year for them anyways.


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Re: Need help IDing these SBMs please [Re: eris]
    #4383558 - 07/08/05 01:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

correcto!
Gymnopilus maybe?


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Re: Need help IDing these SBMs please [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4383585 - 07/08/05 01:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Gymnopilus mushrooms are usually a bright ornage color and grow straight from decaying wood or buried wood debris. They drop rust orange spore prints. They have a pretty distinct look to them.
I'm still with agrocybe for this one.


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Re: Need help IDing these SBMs please [Re: eris]
    #4384060 - 07/08/05 03:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Alright, so I got a MUCH better spore print.

It is definitely a very dark, rusty brown color.  Not purple at all, or even close to black.







Well, whatever they are, the overall consensus says that they are not at all active.. which is quite unfortunate.  Oh well.

Keep the posts coming though.. I still wanna know what these guys really are.  :ooo:


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