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Rose
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Re: ^^I'm with stupid^^ [Re: Phred]
#4381759 - 07/07/05 09:53 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The attack was obviously timed to coincide with G8.
That's not obvious at all. I'd say it's more likely it was timed to coincide with the opening of the trial of old "Captain Hook" of the infamous Finsbury Mosque.
Phred
Well... more likely than... say... the Olympics... IMHO...
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Re: Multiple explosions rock London [Re: Anisotropic]
#4381868 - 07/07/05 10:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wonder how many brown people will die because of this. Don't these people know there are stupid 'KILL EM ALL' cowboy fucks leading the US and the UK?
they know.
It's a-comin!
Three strangers strike up a conversation in the airport passenger lounge in Bozeman, Montana, awaiting their flights.
One is an American Indian passing through from Lame Deer... another is a Cowboy on his way to Billings for a livestock show and the third passenger is a fundamentalist Arab student, newly arrived at Montana State University from the Middle East.
Their discussion drifts to their diverse cultures.
Soon, the two Westerners learn that the Arab is a devout, radical Muslim and the conversation falls into an uneasy lull.
The cowboy leans back in his chair, crosses his boots on a magazinetable and tips his big sweat-stained hat forward over his face.
The wind outside is blowing tumbleweeds around, and the old windsock is flapping; but still no plane comes.
Finally, the American Indian clears his throat and softly he speaks, At one time here, my people were many, but sadly, now we are few."
The Muslim student raises an eyebrow and leans forward, "Once my people were few," he sneers, "and now we are many. Why do you suppose that is?"
The Montana cowboy shifts his toothpick to one side of his mouth and from the darkness beneath his Stetson says in a drawl...
"That's 'cause we ain't played Cowboys and Muslims yet, but I do believe it's a-comin'."
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Re: Multiple explosions rock London [Re: lonestar2004]
#4381935 - 07/07/05 11:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bush later gives the "Axis of Evil" speech, citing Iran, Iraq, And North Korea. Dems whine about including North Korea in the "Axis".
The term "axis" implies an alliance between these countries of which there is none.
Since that speech, France and Canada have been added to the list.
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Phred
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Re: Multiple explosions rock London [Re: Swami]
#4382027 - 07/07/05 11:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are confusing "Axis of Weasels" with "Axis of Evil".
Phred
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Re: Multiple explosions rock London [Re: J4S0N]
#4382853 - 07/08/05 03:53 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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J4S0N said: Who has something to gain? I bet the National ID card will have no problem getting accepted now. .
This will be an interesting one, it could even count against ID cards if they find the terrorists were in the UK using legitimate identification. ID card or another 20,000 coppers?
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Re: Multiple explosions rock London [Re: Gijith]
#4382866 - 07/08/05 04:18 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Much love and to our London shroomerites.
Blair has wasted no time assigning blame. Let's hope he's right.
Blair knows that an anti-Muslim reaction is exactly what these terrorist want. They want to alienate Muslims around the world, create division, foster resentment and hatred to aid recruitment to their sick cause. London has a large Muslim population.
I think, and hope, you will see a calm reaction from the Brits, while no single attack has been near the scale of 9/11, Britain has lived with terrorism since before I was born. I have been close to two IRA attacks, one in my home town in '91. Luckily the IRA screwed up and the only victims were the two bombers, who were scattered over the town center and a few near by gardens. And and the Baltic Exchange bomb in the City in '92.
The reaction has been mostly the same, you can't let them win, change your life out of fear and you let them win. British politicians know this, for example the terror alert level in the UK is a not a very closely guarded secret, rather than something flashing on the news every day.
Gljith, I think between our two countries Londoners and New Yorkers are probably the most alike.
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Re: Multiple explosions rock London [Re: psilomonkey]
#4382895 - 07/08/05 04:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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an anti-Muslim reaction is exactly what these terrorist want. They want to alienate Muslims around the world, create division, foster resentment and hatred to aid recruitment to their sick cause. London has a large Muslim population.
Yes - division is key to achieving their aims...and judging by the reactions and views so easily held by some (as evidenced in this thread) that can be easy to achieve; especially when government propaganda does little or nothing to clarify definitions.
However Londoners live in a highly integrated cosmopolitan society and will not be divided. Londoners are happy living together, and today is no different. The creed and the colour and the name don't matter.
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Re: Multiple explosions rock London [Re: psilomonkey]
#4383314 - 07/08/05 09:36 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Calm resolution
This week's disgusting attack on London will naturally be seized upon by politicians of all hues to advance their various agendas. Opponents of the war in Iraq have lost no time in blaming Tony Blair and British engagement for the bombs that hit London and killed dozen and injured many hundreds. They have a point. As the Butler report revealed, the Government was explicitly warned before the Iraq war that our involvement would exacerbate the risk of terrorism in this country. But that does not for one moment mean that if Britain had not been involved in Iraq, then London would have been safe. It bears repeating that more British people died in the attacks on the World Trade Centre than in yesterday's brutal outrages, and it must never be forgotten that 9/11 preceded the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan, as did the series of vicious Islamicist bombings in Paris in the 1990s.
Which is to say that we in London, Paris, New York and the rest of the civilised West face a terrorist threat which cannot be said wholly to have been provoked by Iraq. These are people whose hatred of what they see as Western values is seemingly ineradicable. It is impossible to negotiate with them. Their grievance is not just with the war in Iraq or with the treatment of Palestinians by Israel but with the whole system of Western values that they find troubling and disturbing, not least the emancipation of women.
We must tackle the terrorist threat with calm resolution and without recourse to wild or hysterical measures. Yet the Government will now seize on this event with no less vigour than their opponents to campaign for a series of repressive and illiberal measures of doubtful utility in the so-called war on terror. Prime among these is the compulsory ID card. It must be stressed that whatever the merits or demerits of an ID card system, it would have done absolutely nothing to prevent the horrors of yesterday. As with the 19 suicide killers of 9/11 the problem was of intention and not identity.
In the coming days and weeks the public will urged to accept such restrictions on their liberty as ID cards as a price we must all pay for liberty itself. We believe that argument to be absurd and fallacious, and hope that defenders of liberty will recognise that it is exactly this kind of panic-stricken measure that will most gratify the killers.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6365
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psilomonkey
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Re: Multiple explosions rock London [Re: Phred]
#4383432 - 07/08/05 10:18 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very well said there by the Spectator. The spectator is a very strongly conservative (small c) publication.
The British reaction to such attacks tends to be very conservative and resolute, weakness will not be shown. I don't think it will change anything regarding Iraq.
This is an area the Government is going to have to tread very carefully, widespread public opposition to ID cards, for which the home secretary has already admitted would not have helped in this case. Along with the war in Iraq, and almost inevitable tax rises to come, will loose public support.
If anything I think it will strengthen the pro-war camp. Anti-war campaigners will have to be extremely care full not to be presented as the tuck-tail-and-run campaign now.
Although its 4 years to the next election, its the long game that counts.
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CJay
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Have you heard of the IRA???
Yes. Now where was it they used to get large amounts of money to run a campaign of terror in Britain?
Can any of our American brethren guess the answer?
Yes and the US government refused to acknowledge the fact for many years, turning a blind eye and therin supporting the IRA. A huge swathe of the US population were supporting terrorism and funding as well as supplying arms to terrorists. Not only that these terrorists were attacking the USA's closest ally! The US government cares not, even for its closest allies as long as the dollars are rolling in. Now here they are, and here all those US people who supported the IRA are, spouting on about the injustices of terrorism. Hypocracy of the highest order. What a world.
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Re: Multiple explosions rock London [Re: CJay]
#4390191 - 07/10/05 04:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Indeed, If any good came out of the horrific events of 9/11, it formed the political will in worlds only superpower, America to fight terrorism. I noticed Sinn Fein ran a mile from the terrorist shit after 9/11, they knew, one terrorist attack with their name on it, they were fucked. Peace process is going a lot better now, thanks.
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Re: Multiple explosions rock London [Re: psilomonkey]
#4390676 - 07/10/05 07:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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