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canadian poppy laws
    #4371110 - 07/05/05 03:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)


http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/law/countries/law_canada.shtml

SCHEDULE I

(Sections 2 to 7, 29, 55 and 60)

1. Opium Poppy (Papaver somniferum), its preparations, derivatives, alkaloids and salts, including:

(1) Opium

(2) Codeine (methylmorphine)

(3) Morphine (7,8--didehydro--4,5--epoxy--17--methylmorphinan--3,6--diol)

(4) Thebaine (paramorphine)

and the salts, derivatives and salts of derivatives of the substances set out in subitems (1) to (4), including:

(5) Acetorphine (acetyletorphine)

(6) Acetyldihydrocodeine (4,5--epoxy--3--methoxy--17--methylmorphinan--6--ol acetate)

(7) Benzylmorphine (7,8--didehydro--4,5--epoxy--17 --methyl--3--(phenylmethoxy) morphinan--6--ol)

(8) Codoxime (dihydrocodeinone O--(carboxymethyl) oxime)

(9) Desomorphine (dihydrodeoxymorphine)

(10) Diacetylmorphine (heroin)

(11) Dihydrocodeine (4,5--epoxy--3--methoxy--17--methylmorphinan--6--ol)

(12) Dihydromorphine (4,5--epoxy--17--methylmorphinan--3,6--diol)

(13) Ethylmorphine (7,8--didehydro--4,5--epoxy--3--ethoxy--17--methylmorphinan--6--ol)

(14) Etorphine (tetrahydro--7?--(1--hydroxy--1--methylbutyl)--6,14--endo--ethenooripavine)

(15) Hydrocodone (dihydrocodeinone)

(16) Hydromorphinol (dihydro--14--hydroxymorphine)

(17) Hydromorphone (dihydromorphinone)

(18) Methyldesorphine (?6--deoxy--6--methylmorphine)

(19) Methyldihydromorphine (dihydro--6--methylmorphine)

(20) Metopon (dihydromethylmorphinone)

(21) Morphine--N--oxide (morphine oxide)

(22) Myrophine (benzylmorphine myristate)

(23) Nalorphine (N--allylnormorphine)

(24) Nicocodine (6--nicotinylcodeine)

(25) Nicomorphine (dinicotinylmorphine)

(26) Norcodeine (N--desmethylcodeine)

(27) Normorphine (N--desmethylmorphine)

(28) Oxycodone (dihydrohydroxycodeinone)

(29) Oxymorphone (dihydrohydroxymorphinone)

(30) Pholcodine (3--[2--(4--morpholinyl)ethyl]morphine)

(31) Thebacon (acetyldihydrocodeinone)

but not including

(32) Apomorphine (5,6,6a,7--tetrahydro--6--methyl--4H --dibenzo[de,g]quinoline--10,11--diol)

(33) Cyprenorphine (N--(cyclopropylmethyl)--6,7,8,14--tet- rahydro--7?--(1--hydroxy--1--methylethyl)--6,14--endo --ethenonororipavine)

(34) Nalmefene (17-(cyclopropylmethyl)-4,5?-epoxy-6-methylenemorphinan-3,14-diol)

(34.1) Naloxone (4,5?-epoxy-3,14-dihydroxy-17-(2- propenyl)morphinan-6-one)

(34.2) Naltrexone (17-(cyclopropylmethyl)-4,5?-epoxy-3,14- dihydroxymorphinan-6-one)

(35) Narcotine (6,7--dimethoxy--3--(5,6,7,8--tetrahydro--4- --methoxy--6--methyl--1,3--dioxolos [4,5--g]isoquinolin --5--yl)--1(3H)--isobenzofuranone)

(36) Papaverine (1--[(3,4--dimethoxyphenyl)methyl] --6,7--dimethoxyisoquinoline)

(37) Poppy seed


okay, now my idea. opium poppies are legal, as a plant, for under
"Opium Poppy (Papaver somniferum), its preparations, derivatives, alkaloids and salts, including:"

it refers specifically to "its preparations, derivatives, alkaloids and salts" and then has an inclusive list.

plants are not a preparation and not included. so are legal.

thats the first thing not nessisarily obvious. but please follow i am getting somewhere with this.

we must assume also that poppy tea is included inder the schedule 1 as it is a morphine preparation.

but what interests me is the specific exclusions.

poppyseed are excluded. that means that the seed can be used in preparations. such as cooking.

can tho, i wonder, morphine be excluded as a poppy preparation if it is prepared from poppyseed?

you see, it is easy to obtain large ammounts of morphine and codine from store-bought bulk seed, with nothing done to facilitate an intentional opium contamination. the opium is simply on the seeds when they are sold, and they get there through unavoidable factors in their life process coupled with large scale harvesting....
falling under the specific legal exclusion from the official schedule, the preparations, derivatives, alkaloids and salts should be also excluded in kind.

now im not saying that you can sell opium that you get from seed, its still opium. BUT, if you get busted with opium that you've made from seed, and you can proove it is indeed from seed, and that you've not used any part of the plant not officially excluded from illegality.
then there has been no crime committed.

quite a loophole. would it work in defence? if you bought a
few kilos of seed and soaked them in a big drum, then froze the water and filtered out the ice untill you had a rich syrupy litre of opium brine, then reduced it down to a golfball sized peice of stong black opium tar...
has a crime been committed according to the law?
youre manufacturing opium, yes... but specific exclusion is in place to negate the iilegality of your methods.

i think they might get you on possesion. but manufacturing (which can be a life-sentence) should be on shaky ground.

anybody have any ideas on this? i can't figure it out.
i DO know the exclusion was based on the fact that poppyseed does not naturally "produce" opium. and its also a food scource ( although a fatty and heavy-metals laden one)
but i do know for a fact that opium is easy to get from bulk seed. where oh were does the law lie here?


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Re: canadian poppy laws [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4373428 - 07/05/05 09:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: canadian poppy laws [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4374983 - 07/06/05 09:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: canadian poppy laws [Re: 1stimer]
    #4378411 - 07/07/05 02:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, probably wouldnt work.
semantics , as much as legal officials love to be challanged, aren't effective defence against being charged with breaking laws that don't elaborate enough to be potent,
the laws. like most, were written in the midst of a political witch hunt. and a witch is a witch.

opium is a witch, whatever hole she crawl from and whatever broom she ride.


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Re: canadian poppy laws [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4378417 - 07/07/05 03:00 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:



1. Opium Poppy (Papaver somniferum), its preparations, derivatives, alkaloids and salts, including:




It's LISTING them, separating them with a comma. The first thing it lists is "opium poppy", the second thing "preparations", etc.


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Re: canadian poppy laws [Re: SoopaX]
    #4379123 - 07/07/05 10:42 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

if that were true, then why are opium poppies legal?


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