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WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them?
    #437022 - 10/25/01 11:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I thought this was interesting. Where is the individual country's populaces representation in a WTO? It seems many smaller countries may never see a democracy like the US's under a WTO scenario. Banks and corporations are given mass powers while individual rights are revoked and passed over.

"Something not mentioned by the corporate press or most of the 1,200 groups from 85 countries that opposed the World Trade Organization (WTO) policies during and after the Seattle demonstrations in 1999, is the fact that the WTO is actually an illegal institution.
The WTO was put in place following the signing, in 1994 in Morocco, of a "technical document" negotiated behind closed doors. Even the heads of the delegations involved in the agreement were not completely informed of the statutes it contained. The instatement of the WTO as a world body was done without the consultation of the citizens (or even their representatives) of the various nations. Following the Morocco meeting, the agreement was either rubber-stamped or never formally ratified by national governments, yet membership in the WTO requires acceptance of its precepts without exception.
The 1994 agreement has been casually embodied in international law, bypassing the democratic process in most all of the member countries. It blatantly overrides national laws and constitutions while providing extensive powers to global banks and multinational corporations. This totalitarian intergovernmental body has been empowered, under international law, to "police" country-level economic and social policies, suppressing the rights of national governments. Also, the WTO neutralizes the authority of UN agencies, such as the International Labor Organization, designed to oversee international trade conduct. It furthermore contradicts the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The deregulation of the U.S. banking system was approved by the U.S. Senate barely six weeks before the WTO convention in Seattle. With the stroke of a pen, most all international restraints on Wall Street?s powerful banking conglomerates were revoked. In the months since the Seattle protests, multinational banks and corporations have begun taking over whole countries, causing the collapse of national economies and looting the resources of the indigenous peoples.
The clauses of the defunct Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI) (Censored Story #1 of 1999), which was to provide "national treatment to foreign banks and MNCs, are also in the process of becoming a fait accompli through the WTO. U.S. bank deregulation has allowed speculative capital investments globally. U.S. and E.U. financial giants are moving toward global control of monetary policy and financial markets."


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: PGF]
    #437037 - 10/25/01 11:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

whats funny is that this is not out of step with our democratic processes, it is core to them.


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: Lenore]
    #437041 - 10/25/01 11:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Democracy...not capitalism. How so L?


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: PGF]
    #437066 - 10/26/01 12:24 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

democracy and capitalism are really one and the same.
both emerged out of the enlightenment, and both are expounded perfectly in the classical writings of politico-economic thoerist such as Mills, Spencer, Bentham, Malthus, Smith....
Democracy is the political compliment of Capitalism.
Liberalism should be redefined and thus renamed as what it is, Survailence, discipline, Authority, Power, Oppression, Exploitation, Inequality, Dominance, Greed, Murder, War, Violence, Rape, Poison.......


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: Lenore]
    #437073 - 10/26/01 12:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Are you serious?

Capitalism is an economic system and democracy is a governing system, therefore they can not be one in the same. Yes, capitalism compliments democracy.

"Liberalism should be redefined and thus renamed as what it is, Survailence, discipline, Authority, Power, Oppression, Exploitation, Inequality, Dominance, Greed, Murder, War, Violence, Rape, Poison....... "

What do you recommend?


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: PGF]
    #437741 - 10/26/01 04:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Democracy means 'government by the people; especially : rule of the majority'. I live in the UK and it is not a democracy as I have no say in the government of this country. Once every five years I get a say in who runs the country, but I get no consideration in any descision making processes. Also Tony Blair and the Labour party were voted for by only 29% of the population. Many governments under the guise of democracy are actually oligarchies - governemnt by the few - 650 MP's in the case of the UK. True demecrocy i.e. 'government by the people' requires that a majority of the population are directly involved in governmental descisions. The WTO's function is to extend the power of these Western oligarchies to encompass developing nations and thus establish global control.


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: PGF]
    #438567 - 10/27/01 04:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I don't completely understand what your saying. Your saying that wto is in effect, but then how are we not trading with China, isn't that the point of Clinton's campaign for the wto, to lower tariffs and increase trade in a larger scale nto, that would include communist nations. What are the stipulations of being a member nation of the wto. Who was ratified into the aforementioned wto compact.. You say that this has resulted in American Bank conglomerates taking over whole countries, how is this different from banks such as Coldwell Banker and so on who hold mass land holdings in Jamaica and continue to monopolize american currency investments in 3rd world countries where land is so cheap. One last thing, do you have names of these banks, that are cheating people through the wto. Sometimes I think people get convinced into protesting the wrong thing. Such as the World bank protests, these diplomats are examiining ways to fix the currency loopholes that keep the philipine aristocrats from monopolizing british money, 50 : 1 as of 1970. But I would protest the IMF being across the street, who in turn find out ways to loan money at their benefit, When I see the way that China and Ruissia invested in Cuba after Castro's takeover, the money was paid back, but how is it that nations who borrow from the IMF never seem to be able to return a loan?


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #438641 - 10/27/01 05:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

20 reasons why the WTO is bad.
http://www.poptel.org.uk/panap/latest/wto10.htm


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: mm.]
    #438903 - 10/28/01 12:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Democracy sucks when it's a majority rule. We live in a country (the US) where thier are natural born rights...persuit of happyness..blah blah...The united states is a representative republic not a democracy

Democracy = 9 vote to kill the 10th...purely pathetic governing...NO leaders.......kind of fitting for the feminiised Republicrates that infest our government today..


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #439103 - 10/28/01 06:07 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

WTO is deffintelly bad. It makes monopoly over world... and gives a big help to huge coorporations.

It has nothing with human rights, but capitl only. And US citizens should know that monopoly is forbiden in US. What a hypocriticy.

PGF. I am not trying to shit bad about US....but goverment. Germany and other countries are using it too..


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: PGF]
    #439150 - 10/28/01 10:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You say that monopoly's are forbidden in the U.s.? that is crazy.. the difference between democracy and socialism is the ability to have the government regulate profit. Look at sweatshops that exist in China and Russia, their profits stream into government as to be put to another use, as sweatshops run in Hondorus by the Gap generate hundreds of millions dollars to a single incorporation. It is taxed, in third world tax... and in tariffs, but the ability for the government to take this money and say this is too much for a single group of entrepreneurs is out of their power. Maybe they donate it all to churches, or maybe they buy up half the island of Costa Rica and retire like kings. So which do you think works better for the whole of the country?


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: mm.]
    #439156 - 10/28/01 10:24 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

mm. has provided us with a source of endless amusement.

"20 reasons why the WTO is bad."
http://www.poptel.org.uk/panap/latest/wto10.htm

I urge all of you who get a chuckle from reading distortions, speculation, arbitrary assertions, irrelevant connections, red herrings, and just plain stupid "thinking" to check out this link. You'll thank me for it, I promise you.

Thanks for providing the link, mm. It was a hoot.

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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: Phred]
    #439220 - 10/28/01 12:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

What is your problem.... do you have any constructive crtiscism?


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: mm.]
    #439321 - 10/28/01 03:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

No point me making any observations that people can't make for themselves by reading the stuff at the link you provided.

Since the absurdity of at least fiteen of the twent points is pretty much self-evident, and the remaining five can be refuted with a few minutes of thought, I figured it was not necessary for me to type my fingers to the bone... just to urge people to read that link.

I presume that was your purpose in posting the link? To get people to read it? Well, I want people to read it, too.


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: Phred]
    #439426 - 10/28/01 05:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think the points are valid. Do you see any problem with the WTO or do you think the are a benevolent organisation?


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #439861 - 10/28/01 11:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

These links never went into detail as to who was ratified into the wto. I'd really like to know which countries and what kind of governments exist inside them to judge whether or not they were taking advantage.


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Re: WTO=end of democratic nations as we know them? [Re: mm.]
    #440174 - 10/29/01 04:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The points are valid, but the article is scam. It is not direct, efficient, or something. And when people say 20 reasons, they usually have 17, and have to make up another 3 to round that number. Fuck it.


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