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OfflineMattWhite
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Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD
    #4369958 - 07/04/05 04:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I came across this page a few days back, http://www.bwgen.com/presets/desc395.htm

So I Downloaded the software and gave it a try, a lot of people commented saying that they got visuals from this!

When I tried it, I listend to it for about 15 - 20 minutes aften that I deffiently felt mood change and a mild body buzz similar to hash.

Do you think that its possible to achive anything as intense as an LSD experience from this software?

Give it a go if you've got time and post back your experience.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4369962 - 07/04/05 05:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

your mind can create your own reality.

you can trance yourself into any state of mind by media and meditation.

the focus of energies can enble parts of your brain that you might have never known were there...:)


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4369966 - 07/04/05 05:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Wow.

Open up the main page and read. :eek:

Sounds crazy...

Edited by x_TYLER_x (07/04/05 05:01 PM)

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4369969 - 07/04/05 05:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I have not achieved a pseudo-LSD experience from this, and doubt that it's possible. It has in the past, however, been a decent aid in sleep induction and meditation for me at times. I don't feel I get the full experience of brain entrainment with the bwgen application, though. Maybe the goggle + headphone systems have the potential to work much better?

I have experienced visualizations, yes, but it wasn't all that impressive nonetheless.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4369976 - 07/04/05 05:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

How do you run this ?

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4369977 - 07/04/05 05:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

like a MOTHER fucker. it wont work for me


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    #4369982 - 07/04/05 05:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: blink]
    #4369993 - 07/04/05 05:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I seem to be the only one who has never heard of this be4 ?

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4369997 - 07/04/05 05:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I might try this generator when my computer is running again..this computer that I am using now doesn't have any speakers..and I dont have any headphones...but I will bump this thread to try it sometime...but I highly doubt it will make me trip like LSD.... :tongue2:

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Skunk420]
    #4370038 - 07/04/05 05:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I use BWGen with different presets for helping me to learn to meditate but I never get as deep as I can with LSD or Hash.

Download BWGen at http://www.bwgen.com/

I think you need to register for the full version that loads presets, I think there are cracks available though.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4370046 - 07/04/05 05:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I will try that...site but sometime later on my computer instead of this one, thanks for the link I am going for a few hours....gonna go visit with the fam..

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4370049 - 07/04/05 05:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I am yet to find one...

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: TYL3R]
    #4370115 - 07/04/05 06:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Binaural beats are interesting stuff and bwgen does a very nice job. Don't expect to trip on it like lsd but ive succesfully used it to make myself both sedated and activated. The more you do it the better it works.
headphones are mandatory for proper stereo seperation

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Planet PHL]
    #4370127 - 07/04/05 06:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

the frequencies combine in the center of the miiiiind.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4370146 - 07/04/05 06:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

This uses binaural sound to entrain brainwaves. Brainwave Entrainment involves using sound, light, images, and/or body movements at the same frequency as the brainwave you're trying to emphasize. You *must* use headphones and a sound card with good channel separation specs for this.

With practice, brainwave entrainment does work. I use the technique when I meditate and sometimes when I trip.

Unfortunately, I didn't get much out of the LSD preset.  :confused:


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: TubOlucinogens]
    #4370160 - 07/04/05 06:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

the frequencies combine in the center of the miiiiind.

This is pretty much right on the mark for how this works and it's why good stereo headphones are mandatory.

The sound is sent to each ear independently and your brain's neural circuitry does the sound mixing. It's by demanding the mixing occur in your brain that the entrainment of the brainwaves occurs. With practice, binaural sounds can be surprising effective.  :thumbup:


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Diploid]
    #4370174 - 07/04/05 06:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

gotta reg the program?


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: cadam]
    #4370179 - 07/04/05 06:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

yeah anybody know how to crack it.


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: lemon_lw]
    #4370183 - 07/04/05 06:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: cadam]
    #4370185 - 07/04/05 06:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Got it working now :wink:

Im gonna do an 10min relax then the lsd one until i have results.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: TYL3R]
    #4370190 - 07/04/05 06:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

PM me and I'll send you my crack.


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: TYL3R]
    #4370191 - 07/04/05 06:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Not supposed to ask for that...or so i was told.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Diploid]
    #4370192 - 07/04/05 06:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

No not that crack, the program crack!  :ass:


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Diploid]
    #4370216 - 07/04/05 07:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: TubOlucinogens]
    #4370235 - 07/04/05 07:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I was on 17:49 of the LSD Substitute, and things were morphing befor my eyes. A bit less intense than mushrooms, though.

Edited by x_TYLER_x (07/04/05 09:02 PM)

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: TYL3R]
    #4370243 - 07/04/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I ca't get it the crack to work
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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
    #4370436 - 07/04/05 09:29 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I ca't get it the crack to work
booo urns




me either. are you gettin an error message when u try cracking it that the file size isnt the same, and some check error or something? cuz thats what im gettin.

help?


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Yarry]
    #4370456 - 07/04/05 09:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

how do you get the lsd one to work, it says i cant do it cause my version isnt regestered


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Kada]
    #4370464 - 07/04/05 09:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

thats what we;re trying to figure out too.. sorry bro i cant help ya


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Yarry]
    #4370471 - 07/04/05 09:50 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

yep, that's what i keep getting actually


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Hrethic]
    #4370480 - 07/04/05 09:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

shitty. i can find tons of cracks for V3.1.11 but only am able to download 3.1.12


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Diploid]
    #4370512 - 07/04/05 10:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

..

Searching for a crack but no luck. For some reason my browsers keep freezing up when I try to go to astalavista.com .


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4371101 - 07/05/05 01:33 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: TYL3R]
    #4371117 - 07/05/05 01:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

x_TYLER_x said:
I was on 17:49 of the LSD Substitute, and things were morphing befor my eyes. A bit less intense than mushrooms, though.




Thats really interesting, might give the Relaxation a go before the the LSD Substitute.

Edited by MattWhite (07/05/05 01:41 AM)

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4371334 - 07/05/05 03:51 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

So no cracks? I can run the program, but I cant import sounds...like the LSD simulation without paying the $40 registration.

oh shit...look at me...rappin away.

So anyone think the registration fee is worth it?

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #4371374 - 07/05/05 04:42 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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So no cracks? I can run the program, but I cant import sounds...like the LSD simulation without paying the $40 registration.

oh shit...look at me...rappin away.

So anyone think the registration fee is worth it?




Did you check that YouSentIt link in my post just up?

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4371407 - 07/05/05 05:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the crack! Definetly gonna give this a try.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Fospher]
    #4371411 - 07/05/05 05:36 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

you ever think these programs and products are just a way for them to contol the world?

I mean one day you hear a sound or see a flash....and *poof* you're under control

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: goobler]
    #4371412 - 07/05/05 05:38 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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you ever think these programs and products are just a way for them to contol the world?

I mean one day you hear a sound or see a flash....and *poof* you're under control




Not with a budget too low to license MP3 encoding...although manipulation through hypnosis is a tactic that will always be used by the government in one extent or the other.


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Fospher]
    #4371414 - 07/05/05 05:42 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

you never know now do you?

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: goobler]
    #4371501 - 07/05/05 07:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Morning Goobs  :smile:


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: goobler]
    #4371504 - 07/05/05 07:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I've experimented with this software and didn't find it to be as amazing as I'd hoped. Doing LSD is much more like LSD than a binural beat generator.

I would imagine that something like what this researcher, Michael Persinger, is doing is more effective in creating seriously altered states of consciousness. See here:
http://people.uncw.edu/bergh/par325/L09RPersinger.htm

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4371965 - 07/05/05 11:10 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Hey matt... you couldn't send version 3.1.11 over to that yousendit thing could you? The only one we can download is the 3.1.12, and the crack won't work for it.


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Hrethic]
    #4372025 - 07/05/05 11:32 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

nice find, thanks


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Hrethic]
    #4372309 - 07/05/05 01:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey matt... you couldn't send version 3.1.11 over to that yousendit thing could you? The only one we can download is the 3.1.12, and the crack won't work for it.




That YouSendIt file is the crack and installer :wink:

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4372389 - 07/05/05 01:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Do I have to be lying down? Eyes closed? Can I do other things like surf the web?

The LSD one isnt exactly that...

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4372585 - 07/05/05 03:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

MattWhite said:
Quote:

I_was_the_walrus said:
So no cracks? I can run the program, but I cant import sounds...like the LSD simulation without paying the $40 registration.

oh shit...look at me...rappin away.

So anyone think the registration fee is worth it?




Did you check that YouSentIt link in my post just up?




yup. The program works, but the registration patch doesnt. You still cant import new presets, like the LSD thing without buying it.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #4373237 - 07/05/05 06:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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yup. The program works, but the registration patch doesnt. You still cant import new presets, like the LSD thing without buying it.




Odd, works here.

Make sure you are installing from the installer in the Zip with the crack, v3.1.11.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4373259 - 07/05/05 06:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, that thing is awsome.

I doubt you can reach a state like LSD, but if you practice trancendental meditation and use this program as an aid you can definitely reach some crazy states of altered consciousness!

I've gotten to the point where my whole body was pulsing with energy and the middle of my forehead was the center of all the energies focus. It got so intense that I had to stop!

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: dr0mni]
    #4373318 - 07/05/05 07:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

interesting.

i've used a feraliminal lycanthropizer preset to make me really good at shoot-em ups :p

I think it's obvious the tones won't do anything by themselves, but they do heighten cool new mental potentials

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: vampirism]
    #4373395 - 07/05/05 07:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

download.com/3001-2135_4-1891897.html

Then

bugsdb.net/go.php?url=http://www.cracks.am/cracks/b7.html

I scanned it all for virus's. But you should do the same anyway.

Edited by Rah (07/05/05 07:28 PM)

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Legoulash]
    #4373417 - 07/05/05 07:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

?

i have it already

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: vampirism]
    #4373446 - 07/05/05 07:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Morrowind said:
interesting.

i've used a feraliminal lycanthropizer preset to make me really good at shoot-em ups :p

I think it's obvious the tones won't do anything by themselves, but they do heighten cool new mental potentials




I listened for a good 15mins and the tips of my ceiling-fans' arms were bending and morphing. The more you concentrate and relax you become lets you unlock different parts of the same sound. It's weird...you just need to try it out for 15 mins at least.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: TYL3R]
    #4373554 - 07/05/05 08:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I cant play the file, any suggestions. I dled it and saved it, windows media cannot open it.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: SirRobin]
    #4373637 - 07/05/05 08:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Is there any way to export this file into a format that's not proprietary? I'd like to play this on my ipod rather than use my computer speakers.

Cool find though. Looks interesting. Thanks guys.


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4374051 - 07/05/05 10:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

well god damn.. it actually works.

i have a very strange patterny floor in my bedroom that i use to let me know when im coming up on a trip.. when it starts movin around a bit im coming up..

it was moving with this brainwave generator. thats so fucked up. it was very minor visual shit, but holy crap.. it works. im amazed.

awesome find man!


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Yarry]
    #4374117 - 07/05/05 11:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Hehe, thanks matt. I appear to be too high to operate computer equipment effectively. Or at least i was when i was messing with that last night.. though i think it's time for some more!


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Hrethic]
    #4374799 - 07/06/05 04:32 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

What the hell? 17 minutes of eyes closed listening to that and....nothing!?

I should just learn that if it sounds too good to be true...


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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Tao]
    #4374801 - 07/06/05 04:34 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Hell I get all those effects you guys are talking about while sober if I relax my mind/eyes.

But I did go on a 50 BB upswing in poker while listening to the file!

Coincidence?

Yes! :laugh:

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: Tao]
    #4375866 - 07/06/05 01:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Tao said:
What the hell? 17 minutes of eyes closed listening to that and....nothing!?

I should just learn that if it sounds too good to be true...




Nothing at all? I could understand no visuals, I havn't had visual myself. But I do get physical sensations like im melting/morphing/sinking into the floor/chair/bed etc.

Make sure your using headphones, it doesn't work with speakers.

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Re: Brainwave Generator Simulating LSD [Re: MattWhite]
    #4375877 - 07/06/05 01:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

No visuals, I guess my head felt slightly weird, but concentrating on a buzzing noise for 17 minutes straight I figure would do that.

And yeah, I used headphones.


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