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OfflinePlasticFantastic
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Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn?
    #4366122 - 07/03/05 12:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I was just out walking in my lawn and a saw these mushrooms. When I bent down to check them out I thought they were just some Panaeolus foenisecii but they had a ring around them, giving me some hope they might be Pan subbs. I'm working on the spore print right now (hoping for black), but what do you think from the pictures?



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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4366135 - 07/03/05 12:42 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

those are some awfully fuzzy pictures.....

that ring is kind odd...

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: CaptainH13]
    #4366138 - 07/03/05 12:44 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Theyre a common pan subb look alike, they grow all over in boise. II still dont know what the hell they are.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: I2ancid]
    #4366164 - 07/03/05 01:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, sorry about the pictures, I can't get my camera to take clear pictures even on the highest resolution!? If the spore print is black though, Pan subbs?


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4366231 - 07/03/05 02:00 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

They are more than likely Panaeolina foenisecii.. The ring around the cap margin is a common feature of that species also.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: eris]
    #4366234 - 07/03/05 02:02 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The ones I find have a black spore print too. Theyre not pan subs though, trust me, ive had numerous bio-assays. Theyre so common here too, allllll over the grass. they coulda fooled any mycologist into thinking they were pan subbs.


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I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey.


The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4366250 - 07/03/05 02:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Nice looking shrooms. Black print, not subs? hmmm I would beg to differ.
I2ancid, that's a nice weilii site, Imma read it up, thanks  :thumbup:


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #4366259 - 07/03/05 02:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I2ancid is right. i have taken prints from mushrooms that look just like that with a black print but were not subbs.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: findaway29]
    #4366271 - 07/03/05 02:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, haha the print turned out brown anyway so they're definately not Pan subbs. The ring also disapeared after a while, what's that about?


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4366302 - 07/03/05 02:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

As the specimens dry and/or age, the cap fades to a dry straw looking color. Brown spore print would definitely indicate foenisecii.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: eris]
    #4368798 - 07/04/05 09:06 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So I might find some Pan subbs without a distinct ring?


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4369016 - 07/04/05 11:27 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Couldnt they be PAN COMPs if they had a black spore print. I know there is debate over the activity of Pan Comps. but I think they are active, and through my expirience of picking, printing, preparing, and ingesting them, I am a supporter that they are active.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4369223 - 07/04/05 01:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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PlasticFantastic said:
So I might find some Pan subbs without a distinct ring?





Yep.



The ones I find often have a very indistinct to nonexistent ring.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: shroomydan]
    #4369841 - 07/04/05 06:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The major difference in all the pictures of Pan subbs I see and the mushrooms I find is the thickness of the stems. Do subbs have a fairly stick stem.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #4370734 - 07/05/05 01:23 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks  :smile: It's alot of work but I'm taking it one day at a time. It'll be up right for 2005 weilii season. I just finished the neighborhood hunting tips, check it out and if you can put www.weilii.com in your sig, its hard getting sites up on their feet as far as people knowing about them (=


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I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey.


The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus in my lawn? [Re: I2ancid]
    #4371543 - 07/05/05 09:59 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I found some other mushrooms that I thought were Pan subbs the other day, they had a very distinct wring much more than the pictures above and had black spore prints.


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