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Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs
    #4365668 - 07/03/05 08:26 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hey -
I've taken acid twice but the last trip was nasty so I was nervous about going back there. But since then I've had a small dose of hawaiian shrooms in Amsterdam and also some San Pedro - and I must say I really prefer the natural stuff.

It seems to be a much more physical, happy feeling, and personally I've not yet felt that anything could really go wrong - a friend aptly described it as "an extension of your own happiness". As Terence McKenna said, LSD is a very introspective drug that forces a magnifying glass on your consciousness. Mushrooms (and cacti, dmt etc) on the other hand, show you things, like a cosmic cinema. I would tend to agree with that (so far, anyway) and I'm thrilled that the natural stuff seems to be a much nicer trip, since I don't think I'll be doing acid again anytime soon.

Anyway at the moment, I have a 10g bag of philosopher's stones truffles in the fridge which I'll be taking someday soon - - Does anyone have any other thoughts or advice regarding the experiental difference between natural and man-made drugs?


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: shaunoc1]
    #4365677 - 07/03/05 08:37 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

the difference is contrived. at the end of the day, natural and man-made drugs are the same thing - chemicals. the reason you like mescaline and psilocybin better than LSD is just that - you like mescaline and psilocybin better than LSD. its not because mescaline and psilocybin are natural.

to further illustrate this, synthetic psilocybin gives an experience no different to that of natural psilocybin.

there is also the mindset factor - the fact that you know psilocybin and mescaline are natural will affect the experience that you have. get rid of the mental barrier between the natural and the man-made, and this mindset factor will be dissolved.

personally, i find psilocybin a much more introspective drug than LSD. acid for me is energetic; i can do almost anything on acid. mushrooms make me lie down and think. i can lie down and think on acid too, but i wouldn't want to, for example, go to a gig on shrooms.


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: alsey]
    #4365683 - 07/03/05 08:45 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i prefer LSD...but everything he^ said was dead on....and very true.....

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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: alsey]
    #4365720 - 07/03/05 09:14 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with you. No difference because they are man-made.


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: alsey]
    #4365731 - 07/03/05 09:30 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That's very interesting; I remember a Robert Anton Wilson lecture in which he said that anything you ingest into your body has an effect on your brain: The chemicals from mashed potatoes are just as present in your brain as those from LSD, it's just that the neurons react differently to the acid chemicals. So, quite literally, you are what you eat.

With regard to the mindset factor, you're absolutely correct - but the fact that I wouldn't do acid again is not just because I now consider it an unimportant "synthetic" drug (my first acid trip was a incredible, life-changing experience) - it's because I had a really bad trip the last time, and though I now have a good idea as to why it went wrong, I don't want to risk going back there in the near future.

So yes, maybe I'm categorizing the experiences too quickly, but at the moment, these terms seem to fit my experience accurately(or to paraphrase Anton Wilson again, the map fits the territory). The shroom & cacti experience seems "natural" to me; i.e, it's a great word to describe the feeling.

The fact that these specific chemicals also happen occur naturally is, in scientific terms, just a coincidence. But in spiritual and psychedelic terms it's a fascinating theme and one that, to me at least, invites exploration.


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: shaunoc1]
    #4365742 - 07/03/05 09:34 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

We all need to learn to drop the ego concerning the "description" of these so-called psychedelics.

Gotta love it all, and the mind set is of upmost importance, along with the physical setting of it all.


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
    #4365866 - 07/03/05 10:19 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting that you say:
"We all need to learn to drop the ego concerning the "description" of these so-called psychedelics."

and then follow it with
"What *psychedelics* are about is pattern- dissolving experiences of an extraordinarily high or different awareness."

I think that a hugely important part of psychedelia is what we take from the experience and how we interpret it, describe it and integrate it into our lives. Relating the experience in descriptive terms is difficult, and to do it well requires passion and talent - but look at someone like Terence McKenna; his verbal and literary ability were huge factors in what made him such a brilliant and convincing speaker / writer.

In fact, in one lecture, he was asked how come he hadn't been yet been arrested for his speeches. He replied "Notice that I use big words." The ability to describe the experience eloquently and intelligently not only enlightens the listener, but also helps to raise the whole culture out of the antiquated perception of "stoners" and "freak-outs".


Edited by shaunoc1 (07/03/05 10:20 AM)


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: shaunoc1]
    #4365879 - 07/03/05 10:26 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"description" in quotes concerning forum related sarcasm.

sorry to misinform you my newbie friend. :smile:


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
    #4365892 - 07/03/05 10:35 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

wow,do they still say" freak-outs" in reference to people....

shit,i really can travle through time...


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: shaunoc1]
    #4365902 - 07/03/05 10:46 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

do you know the author of my signature, shaunoc1?


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
    #4365911 - 07/03/05 10:50 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i hate using this word,but uhhh, it fits......BURNNNNNN....


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
    #4365931 - 07/03/05 10:58 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hi XOIIAresIIOX -
No I don't recognise your signature but it sounds like McKenna.


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: CaptainH13]
    #4365938 - 07/03/05 11:01 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

They're really is no difference between the natural and synthetic drugs, I prefer LSD, there's a church that uses 2cI as a sacrament, so people even find spirituality in "synthetic" drugs.


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: CaptainH13]
    #4365939 - 07/03/05 11:01 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

CaptainH13 said:
i hate using this word,but uhhh, it fits......BURNNNNNN....




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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: shaunoc1]
    #4365941 - 07/03/05 11:02 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

shaunoc1 said:
Hi XOIIAresIIOX -
No I don't recognise your signature but it sounds like McKenna.




Good guess newbie :smile:  Ill give yah five for that, if yah take back your inital post disregaurding my sarcasm of the whole bit. lol.


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A plethora of music aspirations control my temptations of future revelations beyond "now". The percussion, and the heart beat of my love and devotion. The rhythm goes beyond, prying into the third eye, releasing the creativity held so far inside. The melodicies, through the out of tune pianos and broken classical guitars...there lies a beauty. A beauty as prevelent as the fire inside. To release these energies is pure ecstacy, to deveop these gifts is sacred. The vocality, so pure as can be, shying away from herself, lies within me. For the underlying serenitity, this is what I live for. I plea for harmony, and nothing more. Music equals love. Creation of love leads to the procreativity of the World, and it's spirals and puddles prevailing.


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
    #4365949 - 07/03/05 11:07 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

No worries XOIIAresIIOX, oops didn't realise you were being sarcastic


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: shaunoc1]
    #4365959 - 07/03/05 11:11 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I know, it is hard to tell over there damned impersonalized machines, hehe.

sometimes the greamlins just wont do the trick, lol.


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: shaunoc1]
    #4365967 - 07/03/05 11:14 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I disagree with a lot of what has been said. I believe natural drugs have a clear difference from man-made, because I believe shrooms, dmt, salvia, etc. have their own consciousness that combines with your own.

LSD and MDMA have an apparently more 'fake' feel. All you and only you. I don't attribute that to a mindset barrier, I attribute it to how I feel on it.


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: LazyCrash]
    #4365972 - 07/03/05 11:16 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

MDMA isn't a psycadelic, LSD is. It certainly has it's own "feel" to it, it's anything but fake.


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Re: Natural Vs Man-Made Drugs [Re: gdman]
    #4365979 - 07/03/05 11:19 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

agreed.


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