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OfflineBCBudJohn
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Public Health and Moral Obligation
    #4364908 - 07/03/05 01:45 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

My question is simple:

In a world where we are all obligated to pay into medical system for everyone. Are we all then obligated morally to be in the best possible fitness and health? Is it something that could be punishable?


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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: BCBudJohn]
    #4365078 - 07/03/05 02:46 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I think it should be morally obligated.

It would be great if it became legislated into our legal system and incorporated into our schools.

Ideally, I think violation should be consquenced by the death penalty.




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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #4365109 - 07/03/05 02:52 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

But then McDonalds would go out of business, and lord only knows what that would do for the American economy.

(not just mcdonalds, of course)

also does this include hygene? If so, i see bums get punished in ublic libraries for that everyday:)

And kids in school. Al those codes and regulations agains smelly bastards.


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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: BCBudJohn]
    #4365128 - 07/03/05 02:56 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Not in America. Here, there's a capitalist notion we call "private health care".

Problem solved.

And if everybody was fit, who would natural selection work on?


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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: Ravus]
    #4365130 - 07/03/05 02:57 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Damned right


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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: Ravus]
    #4370742 - 07/05/05 01:26 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
And if everybody was fit, who would natural selection work on?




Fat people have kids too.

In any case, society is somewhat a protection against natural selection. In fact, today's society seems completely against natural selection, putting warning labels on anything and everything to keep people from harming themselves. It's gotten to the point where common sense is not enough... "Caution: Coffee hot"...

Maybe if more people would give up TV, junk food and automobile addictions there might be a little more progress towards a a healthy populace.


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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: Ravus]
    #4371682 - 07/05/05 11:09 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
Not in America. Here, there's a capitalist notion we call "private health care".

Problem solved.

And if everybody was fit, who would natural selection work on?




Who wants natural selection when we could apply natural intelligence.

Anyway, the "natural selection" you're referring to is everything but natural, it's called the "neo-liberal capitalistic selection", and in that selection poor people will never fit. "THROW THEM TO SHARKS !!!!!!!!" you say ?  :tongue:

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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: MAIA]
    #4371684 - 07/05/05 11:12 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I agree that society throws off natural selection. The system requires, well, "less evolved" people to take care of "less evolved" jobs.


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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: BCBudJohn]
    #4371891 - 07/05/05 12:34 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

debtor's prison comes next if, on top of there being no guaranteed jobs, a person must work out daily a certain number of hours to be eligible for medicare.

the idea is to permit a few necessary things that you don't pay extra for and you don't get punished for when you are down. that is the idea of basic rights for a people.

government has too many teeth already, and definancing the whole war on drugs thing would go along way to financing a decent medicare operation and increase human rights in two directions in one go.

america needs to learn to grant rights as a basis for progress, it is still very much lost in manifest destiny using guns and punishment vs expanding on the fundamental idea of basic human rights..


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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4373600 - 07/05/05 10:32 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm...
I think its an interesting idea... definately it already exists in the form of required physical education in grade school, but it is so pathetic now. Kids need to be active for an hour a day minimum. I think it should be mandatory, i don't even know why it isn't. Well-being is defiantely a mental/physical dichotomy. Both must be present to be healthy.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2005/07/05/Mennonite-exercise050705.html

This is hilarious.


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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: BCBudJohn]
    #4373667 - 07/05/05 10:51 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I eat mennonites for breakfast.

Realistically is there any way to incorporate an "are you even trying?" factor into public healthcare?


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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: orechron]
    #4373811 - 07/05/05 11:20 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"are you even trying?" - no - but,
frequent lifter miles - weight lifter bonuses.
frequent runner miles - long distance bonuses.
healthy diet miles, etc. all convertible to the consumer venue of your choice;

but leave a hard earned basic human right to medical treatment with the basic right to vote, to a fair trial, to education, to being innocent until proven guilty etc...

(some would add to basic food, and shelter too, and some even would extend this to a job with some measure of dignity - for a full package - upgrading is always reccommended)


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Re: Public Health and Moral Obligation [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4375553 - 07/06/05 01:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"Mennonites-O's!"

mmm...


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