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InvisibleGijith
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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: Rose]
    #4404364 - 07/14/05 05:26 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

This is what I'm saying! I don't understand why the WH doesn't loosen up a little bit. I mean, forget about bias for the moment (though yeah, it's definitely playing a part). Almost every single member of the press corps is leaving these briefings determined to make the White House just as pissed as they are. They're doing their damndest to make sure what gets printed is suggestive and gets good placement on the page or in the evening line up. Throw them a bone so they don't leave the room salivating for your spleen, right?


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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: Gijith]
    #4404433 - 07/14/05 05:40 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Yup, that is the problem for the White House... not what Rove did... the PRESS. They are really upset at how Judith Miller has been treated and how the Press Secretary has responded to their questions. THEY WON'T LET THIS DIE. It hits too close to home.

With each day, the press gets louder.

Judith Miller will likely be detained until October.

Rove may have to quit... and just become an invisible advisor, before the press will back off.

This is VERY bad publicity... worse than anything Michael Moore dug up.

The Press isn't letting the Talking points slip by any more. They are following up on important issues. John Stewart would be proud. :wink:

They're finally talking about the lies that led us into Iraq!

I can't wait to see what the grand jury produces.


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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: Rose]
    #4404778 - 07/14/05 06:58 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

The press sounds like a little kid saying, "You're not the boss of me."


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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: Rose]
    #4405381 - 07/14/05 09:55 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Quote:

Cervantes said:
John Stewart would be proud. :wink:




If you haven't seen it already, I recommend watching some of the latest clips about Leak Gate.  Watch "McClellan's Flop Sweat", "Hot Karl", "Best Leak Ever" and "More Best Leak Ever".  Click here.







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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: Learyfan]
    #4406031 - 07/15/05 12:24 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Interesting development:

NY Times

Rove may very well be in the clear.


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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: Learyfan]
    #4406433 - 07/15/05 02:22 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

The hot karl one is hilarious...

the whole condi/tenet/rove bit is golden.


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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: afoaf]
    #4422273 - 07/19/05 05:33 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

July 18th, 2005 2:55 pm
White House Denials in CIA Leak Probe

Associated Press

Previous denials by White House spokesman Scott McClellan that Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, and presidential political adviser Karl Rove were involved in leaking the identity of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame. Reporters posed the questions during White House briefings.

Oct. 7, 2003

Q. Scott, you have said that you personally went to Scooter Libby, Karl Rove and Elliott Abrams to ask them if they were the leakers. Is that what happened? Why did you do that? And can you describe the conversations you had with them? What was the question you asked?

McClellan: Unfortunately, in Washington, D.C., at a time like this there are a lot of rumors and innuendo. There are unsubstantiated accusations that are made. And that's exactly what happened in the case of these three individuals. They are good individuals. They are important members of our White House team. And that's why I spoke with them, so that I could come back to you and say that they were not involved. I had no doubt with that in the beginning, but I like to check my information to make sure it's accurate before I report back to you, and that's exactly what I did.

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Oct. 10, 2003

Q. Yes, Scott. Earlier this week you told us that neither Karl Rove, Elliott Abrams nor Lewis Libby disclosed any classified information with regard to the leak.

I wonder if you could tell us more specifically whether any of them told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA.

McClellan: Those individuals ? I talked ? I spoke with those individuals, as I've pointed out, and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this. And that's where it stands.

Q. And none of them told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA.

McClellan: They assured me that they were not involved in this.

Q. Scott, to follow up?

McClellan: Yeah, go ahead, Ed.

Q. Not involved in what?

McClellan: The leaking of classified information.

Q. Did you undertake that on your own volition, or were you instructed to go to these _

McClellan: I spoke to those individuals myself.

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July 17, 2005

Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper's comments on NBC's "Meet the Press" about his conversation with Libby:

Cooper: On background, I asked Libby if he had heard anything about Wilson's wife sending her husband to Niger. Libby replied, 'Yeah, I've heard that, too' or words to that effect.

Q. Did you interpret that as a confirmation?

Cooper: I did, yes.

Q. Did Mr. Libby say at any time that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA?

Cooper: No, he didn't say that.

Q. But you said it to him?

Cooper: I said that she was involved in sending him, yes.

Q. And that she worked for the CIA?

Cooper: I believe so.

Q. The piece that you finally ran in Time magazine on July 17th, it says, "And some government officials have noted to Time in interviews as well as to syndicated columnist Robert Novak that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. These officials have suggested that she was involved in her husband's being dispatched to Niger."

Some government officials ? that is Rove and Libby?

Cooper: Yes, those were among the sources for that, yes.


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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: Rose]
    #4422495 - 07/19/05 08:59 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I say we squish them like the vermin they are.


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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: Rose]
    #4422857 - 07/19/05 11:57 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I hope those shitbags get run out of town.

But my guess is Rove gets appointed to the Supreme Court


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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: afoaf]
    #4423367 - 07/19/05 01:51 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

It's coming dude. Just wait............








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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: Learyfan]
    #4423603 - 07/19/05 03:01 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Rove is an especially vile human...


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Amicus Brief [Re: afoaf]
    #4432112 - 07/21/05 06:12 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

http://www.bakerlaw.com/files/tbl_s10News/FileUpload44/10159/Amici%20Brief%20032305%20(Final).PDF

I didn't see this talked about. This is an amicus brief filed in the case by 36 major news organizations. It states their official position for the court. And we are talking about all the big wigs, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, Associate Press, etc.

It flies in the face of what these news corporations report every day in an effort to politicize and sensationalize the case against Rove.

The official position of CNN, for example, is that no crime was committed in this case, and that Plame was not an undercover agent. This goes for ABC, CBS, and all the other parties that signed on.

Does anyone know that when Bob Novak called up the CIA to confirm that Valarie Plame worked there they said yes? They didn't ask him not to tell, they didn't deny it, they just confirmed it. You could have called up the CIA yourself and verified that she worked there! It must have been super secret.

I don't know how to cut and past from a pdf file. Color me ignorant. Open up that link and read page 32-34 if you just want some short highlights.

So let me break it down as the way I see it. I am no lawyer, just a layman.

1) The liberal press doesn't like Bush or Rove. At the outset of this case, they smelled blood in the water. They clamored for a special prosecutor and did their best to make a federal case out of the deal.

2) After some of their own reporters become targets of the investigation, they band together and file their official position in court. They define their official positions to the court and claim that no crime has been committed.

3) Then they turn around and focus the public reporting of the investigation again on Karl Rove and the Bush Administration, even after stating in court that no crime has been committed and that Valarie Plame wasn't an undercover agent.

Is it any wonder that people don't trust the press? How self serving and duplicitous. Why do they tell the public one thing and the courts another? I will tell you why, it serves their own interests.

Karl Rove didn't out her, she had already been "outed". She was not an undercover agent. Joe Wilson was lying. No crime was ever committed.

This may be the biggest non-story story in the history of journalism.


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Re: Amicus Brief [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4432180 - 07/21/05 08:05 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

Karl Rove didn't out her, she had already been "outed". She was not an undercover agent.



Wrong. The CIA was still actively trying to conceal her identity, regardless of who already knew it.


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Re: Amicus Brief [Re: 1stimer]
    #4432202 - 07/21/05 08:26 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

That is not the official position ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, CNN, The Associate Press, or any of the other (over 30 more) major news organizations in this country. They filed their stated position in a court of law, and you can read it in my link above.

Above that, your premise is questionable. Why would the CIA confirm her identity over the telephone if they were trying to conceal it? And if her identity was widely known, and the CIA was trying to conceal it, are they still trying to conceal it today? Why would they stop just because even more people knew than knew before? Is talking about Valarie Plame a crime on this message board? Why not? Because it is publicly known? Well wasn't it publicly known before?

Before Novak wrote the column, the CIA had already revealed her identity to the Cubans and the Russians, and it was widely known around Washington. Just who were they trying to conceal it from?

I think it is interesting that news organizations have given little public press to their official positions that they have taken and signed off on in a court of law. I don't know how those news organizations reconcile the contrast of what they tell the public and what they tell the government. If you got such double-speak from the Bush Administration, it would be front page news my friend.


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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: phi1618]
    #4470254 - 07/29/05 06:45 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Bumped


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Re: Karl Rove CIA leak [Re: Phred]
    #5745181 - 06/13/06 11:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

FREE SCOOTER LIBBY


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