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why we shouldnt legalise weed
#4355477 - 06/30/05 01:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm going to keep this short(ish) and sweet.
i do not believe we should legalize marijuana. Don't get me wrong, at first it sounds like a god send, it would be fucking awesome if weed was legal, and you could buy it from a drug store or your local quicky mart rather then having to deal with drug dealers and so on, but that will not be the case....
smoking pot is awesome, i love it, but i only do it once or twice a month. I like the experience with pot, but i also like being normal, and not being high. I fear that if pot was legalized, then big corporations will then start adding other shit in it, to get you addicted. Pot can already get you mentally addicted, but imagine if you needed pot, like someone needed his cigarettes. I think that would suck, mainly because since it would be legal, it would be hard to find it without any other added in chemicals besides what is naturally in it, and there wouldn't be drug dealers dealing it, since it would be legal. When is the last time you saw someone selling tobacco on the street?
If it were legal, then the big corporations will make it so you want it, 3, 4 ,5 times a day, a pack of weed a day, you will never be sober.... and that would be hell, and would completely ruin marijuana.
I think that they should make it where if your caught with it, then you get it taken away from you or something, but that's it. No jail time, but then also you cant sell it in stores either, to make it so big corporations cant do shit....
hope this is in the right board, if not will a mod move it to the correct one for me? thanks
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I realise this should be in the politics section, if a mod could move it, that would be nice
Edited by chaospilot (06/30/05 01:28 PM)
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4355510 - 06/30/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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that is a legitimate concern, but I don't think that it would happen like that. I'm sure that big corporations would exploit the shit out of it, but most people like BUDS. It's easy to add chemicals to tobacco because they grind it up into small bits and then add the chems. It wouldn't be so easy to do that to buds and keep them intact.
Also, I think that it would be marketed like beer, not cigarettes. Only stoners would want to smoke all day every day.
also, weed is much easier for individuals to grow than tobacco. I think that you would see a huge rise in small scale production and mom/pop type businesses.
I think that the offhand possibility of corporate devils desecrating cannabis is no reason to keep it illegal or even to be satisfied with mere decriminalization.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4355512 - 06/30/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Simple, you can grow your own pot.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4355513 - 06/30/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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that is true but if it were legal then you could grow your own, without any added chemicals, and there would still be drug dealers, they just wouldnt be able to rape you like they do now, they would have to sell it for cheaper than the corporations do, havent you ever seen people selling cigs in the ghetto?? i completely disagree with you, i think that it should be legalized because then the gov. wouldnt be spending so much of OUR money to arrest us for stupid shit. if weed were legal they could concentrate on the real problems of america instead of fighting an expensive, futile war that will never end.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4355514 - 06/30/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I agree. In a perfect world people would be responsible enough to have weed legalized, yet not go bonkers with it. Everyone would be getting high just about all day though. Most of society would become quite lazy and productivity would fall greatly around the country.
Hell the whole damn world might go to shit. That's a main reason it won't ever be legal. I actually like it more being illegal, it's not like it's hard to find, and I smoke it daily anyways. I still live a perfectly normal life, and hold a steady job. I've never been arrested for it or anything like that. The fact that it's illegal isn't going to stop anybody from getting high when they want to do so.
Legal or illegal, it really doesn't make much difference to me. I'll still be smoking. Regardless of the law
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: Trainwreck]
#4355543 - 06/30/05 01:45 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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what about the ones like me that have been arrested??? its no fun for us, and you wouldnt say that if you had been arrested, there is nothing worse than being lumped into a group of criminals for smoking something that is natural.... why not arrest ppl for drinking coffee?? energy drinks? how about we just outlaw EVERYTHING that is natural that changes your mindset? 95% of this fucking country would be in jail, including the scumsucking republicans.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#4355575 - 06/30/05 01:52 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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leftysuprise, thats why i want it so its like if you get caught with it, they just take it away and say "dont do it again" or some bs. Jail time for weed is like getting jail time for waking it in my oppinion. They're both natural...
And if it were legal i doubt you could grow your own. They would probaly make it where you need a special permit which is hard to get to grow your own, like tobacco....
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#4355586 - 06/30/05 01:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quiet hippie 
I don't understand how you get arrested smoking weed. Do you walk down a city street hitting the bong? I smoke in the privacy of my own home, and get my weed delivered to my front door. So there's a very little chance of any cops catching on.
Be more careful, it's not hard.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: Trainwreck]
#4355602 - 06/30/05 01:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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well unfortunately cops in my town are complete DICKS and they think every kid is on some sort of drug, and not everyone can sit at home and wait for the sticky, some of us have to take it from one place to another or there wouldnt be any for you, and i am careful, i was riding in a friends car, he got pulled over because the cop said he didnt use his blinker... which he did, and automatically the cop asked us to get out of the car and searched. luckily i hadnt turned 18 yet, but its times like that that people cant help... that dickhead decided to search us just because we "looked" like we might have had pot. unfortunately i did.
and i wasnt smoking, i was sober, just transporting it home from someone else. no weed smell for miles.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#4355608 - 06/30/05 02:01 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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its bullshit because just an hour south its a slap on the wrist and a fine for getting caught with less than 3/4 of an ounce, i got caught with a motherfuckin 1/8 of crippy and i had to go to probation for a year, stupid N/A meetings and WEEKLY drug tests.... had i been 18 they would have taken me to jail right then.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#4355612 - 06/30/05 02:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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i was watching cops, and i found out something very interesting :
It is only illegal to HAVE POT ON YOU. If you are under the influence of it and dont have anything on you, they cannot do anything to you... at least thats what the cop said...
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4355625 - 06/30/05 02:05 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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unless you admit it, then its public intoxication.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#4355629 - 06/30/05 02:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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but isnt public intoxication alot better then getting caught with the actual drug? if your in a real risky situation you can bust a super troopers: eat a whole bag of weed, and half a bag of shrooms....that is to say if you have it on you...
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#4355632 - 06/30/05 02:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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or could grow your own,simple as that and in cigaretts they dont meant to put nicotine and im sure you could still buy it just the way it is
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: unearth]
#4355641 - 06/30/05 02:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol... definately, but the point of that was... DONT TELL THEM, deny deny deny, oh i have underactive tear ducts officer, im not stoned. oh and btw i like your ID trainwreck, i have a similar saying, religion is a crutch for those who cant handle reality.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#4355643 - 06/30/05 02:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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leftysurprise said: well unfortunately cops in my town are complete DICKS and they think every kid is on some sort of drug, and not everyone can sit at home and wait for the sticky, some of us have to take it from one place to another or there wouldnt be any for you, and i am careful, i was riding in a friends car, he got pulled over because the cop said he didnt use his blinker... which he did, and automatically the cop asked us to get out of the car and searched. luckily i hadnt turned 18 yet, but its times like that that people cant help... that dickhead decided to search us just because we "looked" like we might have had pot. unfortunately i did.
and i wasnt smoking, i was sober, just transporting it home from someone else. no weed smell for miles.
they need a warrant to search you though,they just cant go to random people and search you
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: unearth]
#4355650 - 06/30/05 02:14 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah i know that now..... didnt then, wish i did.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#4355863 - 06/30/05 02:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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leftysurprise, did the cop ask you to get out of the car, or tell you? if he asked to search you (in any casual sort of way i'm sure) and you gave him permission, or rather led him to believe you gave him permission, then it was a legal search.
but i think if weed were legal, it would be more like alcohol: legal to buy, carry, use (responsibly); illegal to make (grow), sell without a license. it would still get fucked with (corporations adding chems) but the weed that did would be like the cheap beer people only buy b/c it's cheap. there would be a shitload of hippies selling good, organic buds. multiple strains would be readily available.
chaospilot, that sort of thing is most often a local ordinance type of thing.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chubbycharley]
#4355984 - 06/30/05 03:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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no i now know that i could have avoided the whole thing, he took advantage of the fact that i was young and undereducated on my freedoms as an american, technically he did as but he said it very sternly making it sound like a demand, he said "would you please step out of the car" i guess thats a question but at the same time it didnt sound like one so yeah it was my fault but its still fucking rediculous that cops do and get away with these things.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: Trainwreck]
#4356373 - 06/30/05 05:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude you just contradicted yourself.....
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Trainwreck said: In a perfect world people would be responsible enough to have weed legalized, yet not go bonkers with it. Everyone would be getting high just about all day though. Most of society would become quite lazy and productivity would fall greatly around the country.
....then you had the gall to say this.....
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I smoke it daily anyways. I still live a perfectly normal life, and hold a steady job. I've never been arrested for it or anything like that.
Every pot head I know has a steady job.
You have been brainwashed by the media.
Nothing bad will happen if they legalize weed. Look at Holland 
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The fact that it's illegal isn't going to stop anybody from getting high when they want to do so.
No it won't, so why make criminals out of the people who do smoke?
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: niteowl]
#4359028 - 07/01/05 10:11 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Although not technically legal here in Holland, it might as well be, and it works extremely well. There are "coffeeshops" in almost every town where you can buy weed, pre-rolled joints and space cakes, and despite this, there are relatively less people here in Holland who smoke weed than there are in many countries where weed is illegal, including North America.
So legalise weed, and usage will fall, better use of tax money will be made, innocent people will not be arrested and you can be sure that what you're getting is quality stuff.
Seems like legalisation is a win-win situation to me. It's a shame that some governments are too stubborn to admit when they're wrong and make necessary changes.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: TurricaN]
#4359659 - 07/01/05 01:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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according to the history channel, the only reason weed is illegal in the first place was because the mexicans/black people were either selling it or on it.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4359841 - 07/01/05 02:03 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Legalization will cause pollen to seed out most outdoor crops, we would have to grow all the good stuff indoors in the winter, with hepa filters to get seedless nugs. That's the only reason I am against it. But I could deal with the seeds if my backyard is full of plants.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: MasonsChild]
#4360756 - 07/01/05 06:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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theres no reason why it should be illegal, there are plenty of things worse than weed that are legal like alcohol and cigs... its retarded, and its illegal because of greedy corporations and politicians, there would be alot of companies that would either go out of business of forfeit alot of profits if weed and hemp were legal, you can make anything out of it, cloth, rope, paper, clothing,and not to mention all of the medical qualities it has, and i think i read something once about how someone was working on making a type of plastic with it and that pissed dupont off because it would be just as good as teflon but cheaper(if anyone else knows about this pm me, id like to read more about it). the original declaration of independence was written on hemp for christ sake, if the documents that forged this nation into history were made from it i dont see what the problem is.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: MasonsChild]
#4361096 - 07/01/05 08:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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MasonsChild said: Legalization will cause pollen to seed out most outdoor crops, we would have to grow all the good stuff indoors in the winter, with hepa filters to get seedless nugs.
 The majority of weed sold today, is grown outside, in big fields in Mexico.
The good seedless weed your getting is already grown indoors.
Legalising weed wont change anything about the weed itself, just the consequences of your having it.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4389094 - 07/10/05 03:29 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it should stay illegal so people will still be able to make lots of money growing and selling it.
It contributes alot to the underground economy.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: gdman]
#4389407 - 07/10/05 09:30 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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gdman said: Simple, you can grow your own pot.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4392564 - 07/11/05 01:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are really stupid b/c, if weed was legal then all the people in jail would be let out for drug use, save millions of dollars per year and have more money to support the enviornment and society, i mean yah i think everyone wants weed legal and you think that if it is then you would never be sober, the individuals that smoke it would have enough sense to smoke it only once a day or something like that...
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4395778 - 07/12/05 12:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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i would just grow my own if it was legal.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: baraka]
#4396374 - 07/12/05 03:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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If pot was legal I would go spend about $1000 and by a pimp hydroponics set up and grow shit in my closet. And in my back yard, and in my neighbors back yard 
I wouldn't add any chemical bullshit either and I wouldn't smoke 20x a day. No matter if they put addicting shit in it or not. If I can quit tobacco and cocain, I'm not worried about what corperations put in pot (IF it were legal).
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: Sycronica]
#4397202 - 07/12/05 06:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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these are very good points indeed. Perhaps if they were to legalize only growing and possesion, not distribution. Then those truly interested to have their habit would: (A) Be able to make their own crop detering corperate additives (B) rid yourself of price gouging since you would never have to use a dealer if you were serious enough to supply yourself (C) deter criminal activity and drug flows as selling would be a no-no (D) create revenue from the growing taxes enacted behind the authorization of personal production. of course there are downsides to this like the fact that it is unrealistic for everyone who wanted to smoke grew,and the whole slew of new judgments and laws to pass after the fact.
but it would be so prevalant that barter, trade or selling would be hard to enforce the illegality of if everybody who could smoke freely, did.
this route is not as lucritive to big brother as say giving sales rights to the corporations.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4404981 - 07/14/05 05:59 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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wtf is this corporate additive parnoia? Then you just go for an organic or natural corporate product like you can do with ciggarettes; American Spirit for example.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: cybrbeast]
#4455820 - 07/26/05 01:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mary jane being illegal drives the street price up, amount of money needed for correctional facilities increases, more money is then laundered through the stock market, which causes our economy to boom. They will never legalize.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: chaospilot]
#4457695 - 07/26/05 09:45 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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If weed is legalized, then I can grow my own plants, make cannibutter and eat instead of smoke. It's healthy this way.
If weed is legalized, dealers would have to sell other drugs. they wouldn't make any profit. besides, who would buy from a dealer if they can grow their own. It is uncertain what it would do to the black market.
If weed is legalized, we can do research. for example, finding an efficient way to get the oil out of the hemp seeds would be a great idea. we know that the hemp oil would burn at a higher octane than the gas we use, plus it's cleaner on the air.
If weed is legalized there could be a possibility of the government taking advantage. Then again, isn't the US government benefiting on marijuana being illegal?
with any decision you are going to have weigh the good with the bad. Personally I believe it wouldn't be good for the people to have an unjust law, throwing people into prison for "crimes against themselves," making profit off of the prisoners, and not making the United States any more democratic.
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Re: why we shouldnt legalise weed [Re: Trainwreck]
#4486142 - 08/02/05 04:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trainwreck said: Yeah I agree. In a perfect world people would be responsible enough to have weed legalized, yet not go bonkers with it. Everyone would be getting high just about all day though. Most of society would become quite lazy and productivity would fall greatly around the country.
Alright, If you were told since the day you first LEARNED about marijuana and it's effects, that it makes people happier and more motivated to do things, and if you really had no other opinion but to believe it, I think you wouldn't even be affected by the laziness that it supposedly causes. Everyone knows that's a stoner STEREOTYPE. Laziness has been with me ever since I was just in grade school, and I never smoked pot back then.
There are LOTS of highly productive people who cherish and use the Herb, but most of them respect it and know that it doesn't HAVE to make them lazy.
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